(02-22-2017, 10:21 PM)Morph Wrote: Would've liked to see him publicly get torn into some of the imposters in our team tbh.

Seemed to work for lennon.

Unlike tonight for Lennon, our players would down tools on him.

(02-22-2017, 10:20 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote: You were blaming Robbie Neilson during the game.  

I think he shares his responsibility in this, aye.

We had an agreement in place with Gilks, who backed out at the last minute and joined Rangers instead. Rather than correctly signing a new No1, Neilson decided to burden us with a rookie keeper who should be learning at a Falkirk or Dunfermline level club. He also spent money on utter shite like Sammon, took gambles on Watt and players like Rherras. Pretty much every player that Neilson signed in the summer failed to improve the side. He then left three weeks before the transfer window opened, and Cathro was left scrambling around to rebuild the squad in the style he wants. If anyone can name teams that have lost their manager in such circumstances and attempted a squad rebuild in January, I'd be quite surprised.

Now, I get that folk are angry, but calling for Cathro's head is utterly pointless. He's going nowhere and, despite this shit result and numerous shit performances, it'd be unreasonable to get rid of him now. If he doesn't learn from the mistakes he's made, then by all means, pull the trigger, but I think it's too early to say. I'd give him until the end of the year, unless we get dragged into a relegation dogfight or something.

(02-22-2017, 10:21 PM)Morph Wrote: Would've liked to see him publicly get torn into some of the imposters in our team tbh.

Seemed to work for lennon.

Don't think he can, cos I think they're playing the way he's directed them to.

Still have hope for him, he can't fix the cowardly meek pathetic underbelly that developed under neilson in a few months. However if we're saying the same things this time next year then he has to go obviously, but it's too early right now

(02-22-2017, 10:29 PM)Patrick Bateman Wrote: I think he shares his responsibility in this, aye.

We had an agreement in place with Gilks, who backed out at the last minute and joined Rangers instead. Rather than correctly signing a new No1, Neilson decided to burden us with a rookie keeper who should be learning at a Falkirk or Dunfermline level club. He also spent money on utter shite like Sammon, took gambles on Watt and players like Rherras. Pretty much every player that Neilson signed in the summer failed to improve the side. He then left three weeks before the transfer window opened, and Cathro was left scrambling around to rebuild the squad in the style he wants. If anyone can name teams that have lost their manager in such circumstances and attempted a squad rebuild in January, I'd be quite surprised.

Now, I get that folk are angry, but calling for Cathro's head is utterly pointless. He's going nowhere and, despite this shit result and numerous shit performances, it'd be unreasonable to get rid of him now. If he doesn't learn from the mistakes he's made, then by all means, pull the trigger, but I think it's too early to say. I'd give him until the end of the year, unless we get dragged into a relegation dogfight or something.

Come on now, I don't rate Neilson as much as the next #PTHM, but he is not at fault for this at all.

Today was a failure on two counts - tactical setup and motivation. Cathro himself said he has failed in both regards. He overestimated our players, and they didn't show the correct attitude. That is his failing and his failing only. That team out there had 7 out of 11 players that he signed. At the very minimum, he should be able to motivate those players to put the effort in.

The idea of a young and progressive manager seems pretty good on paper but as with Neilson, Cathro seems completely unable to grasp the concept of a derby match.

Locke might have been a simpleton with shit tactics but that team of kids fought for their lives whenever they played Hibs and the worst Hearts team I've ever seen managed to grind out results against Hibs time after time. Yet with a demonstrably better side, the motivation just is not there and it's fucking sickening.

(02-22-2017, 10:39 PM)Frank Underwood Wrote: Come on now, I don't rate Neilson as much as the next #PTHM, but he is not at fault for this at all.

Today was a failure on two counts - tactical setup and motivation. Cathro himself said he has failed in both regards. He overestimated our players, and they didn't show the correct attitude. That is his failing and his failing only. That team out there had 7 out of 11 players that he signed. At the very minimum, he should be able to motivate those players to put the effort in.

Yup, Cathro made mistakes, which he was always going to do. He's at least admitted them rather than tried to bullshit or insult the intelligence of our support.

What I would say is that I suspect you can read between the lines when it comes to Cathro's comments. I suspect he's angrier than people realise or based on what he's said to the media and I suspect there will be players who, if Cathro could help it, will never play for the club again. Again, he's hardly going to come out and *say* that the club is spineless and has several players who don't understand what it means to play in certain games. Even though it's the truth, he's smart enough to realise that saying it wouldn't fix anything or help calm the support.

As I said earlier in the thread, I understand if folk want to chuck in the towel or have turned on him because of results like this, but I've seen enough flashes of things to give him a bit more time. Our season is basically over now, and funnily enough, it might be better for us to not finish in a European slot so we have more time to build something approaching an acceptable football team.

A long time ago a manager Dave Sexton tried to convert Chelsea to playing "strolling soccer". He wasn't their manager for too long after that.
It's a great aim, but football's a physical as well as skill game and the opposition will lay the physical stuff on you. You need to allow for that in how you set your side up.

No be in Europe so well be playing in the group stages of the League cup

(02-22-2017, 11:21 PM)Johnny Wrote: No be in Europe so well be playing in the group stages of the League cup

I think that'd suit us better than us embarrassing ourselves in a match that actually means something, again.

(02-22-2017, 11:21 PM)Johnny Wrote: No be in Europe so well be playing in the group stages of the League cup

Genuinely quite like the new league cup group stages, at the very least respect them for trying to change it. Probably less embarrassing losing on pens to Cowdenbeath than losing to Malta as well

(02-22-2017, 11:21 PM)Johnny Wrote: No be in Europe so well be playing in the group stages of the League cup

So diddy.

Better than Europe imo

Is it the league cup that has bonus points?

The fact that the team tonight had 7 players that Cathro's signed in the starting 11 tells a lot about the state of the side he took over from Neilson.

Obviously Cathro needs to take his share of the blame for tonight, but he's come in just before the January window and had to make signings at a time when it's difficult to do so. Now you can say his signings haven't performed, but does anyone really think we'd have done any better with Sammon, Oshaniwa, Rherras, Watt, Ozturk etc?

Cathro needs a summer window and a full season before anyone can make a real evaluation.


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You need to have faith in cathros ability to say give him this and this to show what he can do. I don't really have that faith. For me the signs are worrying. This isn't some fucking joke outfit where managers gets years to find out if they are up to it or not.

He took a massive gamble replacing 75% of the team and it has failed in spectacular fashion. He looks like a fish out of water to me.

AP spamming the board with his pish

Cathro will take the blame for the recent bad derby results but the fault doesn't lie with him. I know he's not the problem here and I'm honestly fucking sick of us scapegoating managers. I bought into it with Neilson but this is down to recruitment and player attitude, no way is this all down to Cathro.

I think, as a club, we need a manager and not a head coach. I've not written off Cathro but I've certainly written off the hierarchy at the club. Milking every fucking pound out of the retards in our fan base, trying to put a positive, touchy feely spin on everything. Ever since Beats didn't get his replay hospitality I knew we were fucked.

(02-22-2017, 11:19 PM)Patrick Bateman Wrote: Yup, Cathro made mistakes, which he was always going to do. He's at least admitted them rather than tried to bullshit or insult the intelligence of our support.

What I would say is that I suspect you can read between the lines when it comes to Cathro's comments. I suspect he's angrier than people realise or based on what he's said to the media and I suspect there will be players who, if Cathro could help it, will never play for the club again. Again, he's hardly going to come out and *say* that the club is spineless and has several players who don't understand what it means to play in certain games. Even though it's the truth, he's smart enough to realise that saying it wouldn't fix anything or help calm the support.

As I said earlier in the thread, I understand if folk want to chuck in the towel or have turned on him because of results like this, but I've seen enough flashes of things to give him a bit more time. Our season is basically over now, and funnily enough, it might be better for us to not finish in a European slot so we have more time to build something approaching an acceptable football team.

Good post

Cathro's comments are so loaded; people surely are seeing the message here? Overestimated where we are as a team? That's fairly clearly a veiled comment on the players letting him down. I actually respect the honesty in his interview tonight, if not the performance he's elicited from them players. Shite excuse to make as well, but this is a hacked together team with short term deals and panic signings. The guy inherited a mess and I won't be turning on him until he's had a full year, maybe even end of next season.

The club as a whole has some major explaining to do though as to why we have turned into an endemically shitebag, pathetic outfit who routinely let Hibs slap us about these days.

He inherited a team 2nd, we are now 11 points off second and out of the cup. He's been very naive emptying a whole team. A few changes here and there might have been wiser. Now the season is over. Pretty shit for the fans who go.

Out of the players we've emptied while Cathro has been here, only Rossi was a regular starter. The overhaul of the defence was forced through long term injuries, an international call up and cashing in on a player who would have left on a free in a few months time. The only major change that has been disastrous for me has been playing Martin.