(09-17-2017, 07:03 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: Deliberately not calling you a racist so you can't deflect my points. Don't infer that I am. Even if that's true.

You fear brown middle eastern men with beards because your ego tells you you're important enough to be a target. It's tin foil hat stuff Cc. No amount of deflection will change that. You're a grown man going about your daily business trembling in fear of any brown bearded man you see. Unless you have another way to identify their religion without asking?

Trembling in fear ? You've clearly never met me.

I'm just pointing out that Islam is a huge issue and problem for the UK. Why does this bother you so much ?

(09-17-2017, 07:11 PM)Dexter Wrote: Happy to be labelled as pathetic but you're an ignorant racist.

I'm not a racist. We are talking about a religion here. What's that got to do with race ?

Are you stupid ?
Are you dim ?


Point to anything on this entire site where I have been racist. Fire away.

Go on. 

Come on big guy. 

Fire away.

About the only thing I have said against "a race" is to say the polish are racist. How ironic.

(09-17-2017, 07:33 PM)Bobby Beg-B Wrote: Fairly certain, CC, that you neither know any Muslims in the real world nor much about Islam (that you didn't read in the Daily Mail or similar), as I doubt your simplistic, black and white views here would be the case if you did. I work with literally hundreds of Muslims on a daily basis. I know their families, I've been invited into their homes for a cup of tea, I've helped them campaign in support of the Human Rights Act and the rights of refugees, I've been the beneficiary of their generosity and hard work. None of them have tried to kill me (and if any of them did, it'd be because I'm a welt and deserve it rather than any religious motives ). If it's come up in conversation, they have expressed their revulsion for ISIS and concern over prejudice they face in their daily lives as a result of their actions. This tabloid sensationalisation of a world view that you are sharing here does not bear any relation to the reality I see, and being honest, it's offensive and ignorant.

To say that there likely wouldn't be suicide bombers without religion as well - heard of the Tamil Tigers bus?

I've known and worked with numerous Muslims. Do I get a medal too ?

What's nonsense about Buddhism?

(09-17-2017, 08:18 PM)Craig Levein-Style Icon Wrote: What's nonsense about Buddhism?

Lots of it ?.

(09-17-2017, 08:00 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: I'm just pointing out that Islam is a huge issue and problem for the UK. Why does this bother you so much ?

Pro tip: because it isn't.

(09-17-2017, 08:00 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: I'm not a racist. We are talking about a religion here.

Yet here's the thing. You've done no talking about that religion at all. None. Despite pages and pages of ignorant guff.

To have done any talking about Islam, you'd have to know the first thing about Islam. But you don't, and admit you've never studied it. Instead, you've recapitulated a pile of stereotypes, generalisations, and made completely bizarre statements about the "creeping influence of Islam on the UK": while refusing point blank to back any of those statements up. Apart from, y'know, Halal.

When these sorts of generalisations are made about any other group, we call them what they are: racist. Islamophobes like you don't get some free pass just because Islam is not a race. What you and racists have in common are grotesquely offensive levels of ignorance: and when you proudly exhibit this ignorance in front of the whole world, you'll be called out on it. Simple.

(09-17-2017, 08:00 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: Trembling in fear ? You've clearly never met me.

I'm just pointing out that Islam is a huge issue and problem for the UK. Why does this bother you so much ?


I'm not a racist. We are talking about a religion here. What's that got to do with race ?

Are you stupid ?
Are you dim ?


Point to anything on this entire site where I have been racist. Fire away.

Go on. 

Come on big guy. 

Fire away.

About the only thing I have said against "a race" is to say the polish are racist. How ironic.





I've known and worked with numerous Muslims. Do I get a medal too ?

You conflate ISIS with muslims. You conflate muslims with middle easterns. You conflate middle easterns with people with brown skin (that aren't Mexican). They're all one in the same to you. You've admitted this many times. To you, Islam is a race. You feel threatened by said race. It causes you fear.

(09-17-2017, 08:24 PM)shaun.lawson Wrote: Pro tip: because it isn't.


Yet here's the thing. You've done no talking about that religion at all. None. Despite pages and pages of ignorant guff.

To have done any talking about Islam, you'd have to know the first thing about Islam. But you don't, and admit you've never studied it. Instead, you've recapitulated a pile of stereotypes, generalisations, and made completely bizarre statements about the "creeping influence of Islam on the UK": while refusing point blank to back any of those statements up. Apart from, y'know, Halal.

When these sorts of generalisations are made about any other group, we call them what they are: racist. Islamophobes like you don't get some free pass just because Islam is not a race. What you and racists have in common are grotesquely offensive levels of ignorance: and when you proudly exhibit this ignorance in front of the whole world, you'll be called out on it. Simple.

Islam isn't a race. What part of that don't you understand ?

(09-17-2017, 08:32 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: You conflate ISIS with muslims. You conflate muslims with middle easterns. You conflate middle easterns with people with brown skin (that aren't Mexican). They're all one in the same to you. You've admitted this many times. To you, Islam is a race. You feel threatened by said race. It causes you fear.

Islam isn't a race. As above. What part of this don't you understand ?

It's a ridiculous religion.

(09-17-2017, 08:42 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: Islam isn't a race. What part of that don't you understand ?


Islam isn't a race. As above. What part of this don't you understand ?

It's a ridiculous religion.

It's you that doesn't understand the difference. You can't separate ISIS from Muslims or Muslims from Arabs. You fear/hate Arabs.

(09-17-2017, 08:50 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: It's you that doesn't understand the difference. You can't separate ISIS from Muslims or Muslims from Arabs. You fear/hate Arabs.

I fear / hate Arabs ? Really ? 

What's this based on ?

I dislike the religion of Islam and all that comes with it.

(09-17-2017, 08:53 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: I fear / hate Arabs ? Really ? 

What's this based on ?

I dislike the religion of Islam and all that comes with it.

Do you assume all Arab looking brown men with beards are Muslims? Not a loaded question. Genuine question. Would that be your first instinct?

(09-17-2017, 02:26 PM)Half Time Guest Wrote: Offer to help this war on terror by going to Afghanistan and clearing landmines with your face.

Play your part.

(09-17-2017, 08:55 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: Do you assume all Arab looking brown men with beards are Muslims? Not a loaded question. Genuine question. Would that be your first instinct?

Nope. A lot are Indians and absolutely despise Islam more than any of us could ever imagine.

There is however a certain type of beard that seems to be common with Muslim blokes. So with a person of that description yes I would assume they are a Muslim.

(09-17-2017, 09:03 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: Nope. A lot are Indians and absolutely despise Islam more than any of us could ever imagine.

There is however a certain type of beard that seems to be common with Muslim blokes. So with a person of that description yes I would assume they are a Muslim.

Ok, and you hate Muslims, you think they're all making attempts on your life. So any time you see a middle-eastern looking man with a beard your visceral reaction is to hate him and what he stands for and believe that he would love nothing more than to make an attempt on your life. Without knowing a single other thing about him. Is that not racist?

(09-17-2017, 09:06 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: Ok, and you hate Muslims, you think they're all making attempts on your life. So any time you see a middle-eastern looking man with a beard your visceral reaction is to hate him and what he stands for and believe that he would love nothing more than to make an attempt on your life. Without knowing a single other thing about him. Is that not racist?

When did I say I hate Muslims ? I don't. 

And as for "racist" you seem to be confused. Again. A religion is not a race. What part of this is difficult  for you to comprehend ?

(09-17-2017, 09:08 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: When did I say I hate Muslims ? I don't. 

And as for "racist" you seem to be confused. Again. A religion is not a race. What part of this is difficult  for you to comprehend ?

You're scared of brown men with beards because you assume they're Islamics out to kill you. You've admitted that many times. You're inherently racist. You judge people based on their race, based on your assumption of their religion, and subsequently their motives due to that religion. But ultimately, your prejudices come from the colour of their skin and their ethnic background. Pretty straightforward.

(09-17-2017, 08:53 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: I dislike the religion of Islam and all that comes with it.

Despite knowing nothing about it. And hence, not even knowing the tiniest bit about "all that comes with it".

Mind when TH was banter

Don't get why CC is being called a racist tbh.

He's clearly got an issue with Islam, but that's nothing to do with race.

Not sure where all this stuff about him hating/fearing 'brown people' comes from.

(09-17-2017, 09:20 PM)Shteve Wrote: Mind when TH was banter  

You're thinking of Munich mate

(09-17-2017, 09:24 PM)TheMaganator4.0 Wrote: Don't get why CC is being called a racist tbh.

He's clearly got an issue with Islam, but that's nothing to do with race.

Not sure where all this stuff about him hating/fearing 'brown people' comes from.

He thinks 300 million people are out to kill him. He identifies who these people are based on their ethnicity.

(09-17-2017, 09:26 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: He thinks 300 million people are out to kill him. He identifies who these people are based on their ethnicity.

Has he said that?

Skimmed a lot of this but I've seen lots of Islam bashing but nothing that I'd say was an attack on brown people or any other race.