(04-26-2020, 10:21 AM)Papin Wrote: He's made a career out of ripping the NHS over the years and suddenly he's giving it the “NHS is wonderful”. If it was up to him the NHS wouldn't exist.

He's an opportunist who's seen a gap to feed positive guff to the gullible who are looking for something to cling onto, purely to raise his own profile.

His positive guff in the last few days include criticism of the testing and the way deaths are reported

Suppose it depends what you prefer, constant doom and gloom or trying to take a more optimistic angle. No one can say who is right or wrong.

(04-26-2020, 10:32 AM)Chris Benoit Wrote: He's a crank with an agenda and is in no position to be taken seriously over this pandemic

Don't read it then

(04-26-2020, 10:35 AM)Ross Kemp On Spice Wrote: Don't read it then  

Thanks for your input 

Well you're greeting about this guy saying he's not to be taken seriously. It's you that fucking brought up his tweet

FWIW I think his views on when the lockdown should end are well off but in reality none of us have a clue.

(04-26-2020, 10:41 AM)Ross Kemp On Spice Wrote: Well you're greeting about this guy saying he's not to be taken seriously. It's you that fucking brought up his tweet

FWIW I think his views on when the lockdown should end are well off but in reality none of us  have a clue.  

My main point was the guy acting like less than 500 deaths a day is a good thing. You're the one white knighting the cunt over a throwaway comment

He's getting column inches across national newspapers and broadcasters and is being presented as worth taking seriously to millions of people. He's not. That's why “don't read it then” misses the mark.

Had the news on the other day and they had all these cutesy reports of fundraising and that, then a report on Italy that opened with the words, “Here in Italy, they've lived through a nightmare”. We are worse than Italy, and likely much worse - by the time this is done, we will have had more hospital deaths than they've had total deaths, almost certainly. But because the media are scared to upset the government or our delicate little sensibilities, it's getting sugar coated for us and we are still looking at other countries going “must be awful there, there but for the grace of God” etc. Maybe if the truth was reported instead of “positivity”, folk wouldn't be cramming into parks to the same extent

(04-26-2020, 11:02 AM)Little Bit Of The Boycey Wrote: He's getting column inches across national newspapers and broadcasters and is being presented as worth taking seriously to millions of people. He's not. That's why “don't read it then” misses the mark.

Had the news on the other day and they had all these cutesy reports of fundraising and that, then a report on Italy that opened with the words, “Here in Italy, they've lived through a nightmare”. We are worse than Italy, and likely much worse - by the time this is done, we will have had more hospital deaths than they've had total deaths, almost certainly. But because the media are scared to upset the government or our delicate little sensibilities, it's getting sugar coated for us and we are still looking at other countries going “must be awful there, there but for the grace of God” etc. Maybe if the truth was reported instead of “positivity”, folk wouldn't be cramming into parks to the same extent

What is it that you think we should be told that isn't currently being said, out of interest?

There's something really patronising about thinking people aren't understanding the seriousness of the situation due to the news coverage. We all see the death numbers. Most of our jobs are at risk. Most of us have vulnerable people we worry about. Everyone gets it and most are doing their part. You're going to get arseholes that just don't care but that's life.

I have issues with the government not being held to account by the media but I don't buy into this stuff about the situation being downplayed and the public being fooled.

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/stat...8783558657

Scumbag

Eh can you be a bit more patriotic please, Begbie. We are GREAT BRITAIN, not continental European countries like Italy, Spain and China. We survived two world wars and had the greatest empire that ever was.

Some silly wee virus isn't anything to worry about for us BRITS.

I don't think there's a good sense of how grave the situation is here tbh.  Beyond being locked inside and not at work it feels like everything is just ticking over as normal.  I think at this stage there is almost a bit of forgetting why you're off in the first place.  I'm getting a wee bit complacent in following the guidance but when you see hundreds of folk out and about every day it's easy to slip into a mindset of it's not that bad or whatever.

Probably is a difference in reporting but I had the idea that Italy was a country in mourning, everyone depressed, hospitals completely over run with patients.  Even now when we're in (or passing) the peak I don't I've ever felt like it was as bad as the images you were seeing on the news of Italy/Spain.  

I just don't get that from the UK, I actually don't feel I have much concept of how bad it is in England.

(04-26-2020, 11:16 AM)Morph Wrote: I don't think there's any sense of how grave the situation is here tbh.  Beyond being locked inside and not at work it feels like everything is just ticking over as normal.  I think at this stage there is almost a bit of forgetting why you're off in the first place.  I'm getting a wee bit complacent in following the guidance but when you see hundreds of folk out and about every day it's easy to slip into a mindset of it's not that bad or whatever.

Probably is a difference in reporting but I had the idea that Italy was a country in mourning, everyone depressed, hospitals completely over run with patients.

I just don't get that from the UK, I actually don't feel I have much concept of how bad it is in England.

What would make you understand the situation better? Do you want pictures of bodies on the front page?

People are getting complacent because it has been a long time in lockdown, it's tough. They have relaxed the rules slightly and it's clear we are being prepared for a 'new normal'. All I've seen in the press recently is chat of how this isn't going away for up to a year and vaccines won't be available any time soon. How much more grim can the reporting be than that?

You can't just have a year of doomsday reporting or mental health issues are going to go through the roof. There has to be a balance between getting across the reality of the situation and providing some hope for getting out of this. To me it feels like the media are achieving this. They are failing at holding this shambolic government to account though. The coverage from Italy was extreme but I think now we are learning this is going to be with us for a long time we have had to soften things slightly. People are more likely to adhere to the lockdown if there's light at the end of the tunnel.

(04-26-2020, 11:26 AM)Ross Kemp On Spice Wrote: What would make you understand the situation better? Do you want pictures of bodies on the front page?

You just had a go at Begbie claiming he was patronising

(04-26-2020, 11:26 AM)Ross Kemp On Spice Wrote: What would make you understand the situation better? Do you want pictures of bodies on the front page?

People are getting complacent because it has been a long time in lockdown, it's tough. They have relaxed the rules slightly and it's clear we are being prepared for a 'new normal'. All I've seen in the press recently is chat of how this isn't going away for up to a year and vaccines won't be available any time soon.

You can't just have a year of doomsday reporting or mental health issues are going to go through the roof. There has to be a balance between getting across the reality of the situation and providing some hope for getting out of this. The coverage from Italy was extreme but I think now we are learning this is going to be with us for a long time we have had to soften things slightly. People are more likely to adhere to the lockdown if there's light at the end of the tunnel.

 I never said I wanted them to start ramping up all the depressing news so I personally could understand the situation better I am just saying I seen the reporting of the situation in Italy early doors and I don't think I've ever felt where I am has ever been as bad as that.

Not saying it hasn't, but it just 'feels' like our situation has been nowhere near as severe as them but it obv has in the UK overall.  I went on a walk yesterday and there are still loads of folk just having a wee sit down on a picnic blanket in the gardens, maybe people were doing that in other European cities too but I never seen that.   Edinburgh is obviously one of the biggest hit in Scotland but it will still be pretty small compared to the infections and deaths in other major UK cities, maybe your perspective is a lot different being in Birmingham or something.

(04-26-2020, 11:33 AM)Grumblebum Wrote: You just had a go at Begbie claiming he was patronising

Couldn't resist it with contrarian boy.

Just looking at some of the front pages this morning.

'Doctors fear we'll run out of oxygen'

'Suicidal and too scared to hug their kids - mental health agony on NHS front line'

'Don't bet on a vaccine to protect us from virus thread: world health expert'

How much darker to folk want it

(04-26-2020, 11:35 AM)Morph Wrote:  I never said I wanted them to start ramping up all the depressing news so I personally could understand the situation better I am just saying I seen the reporting of the situation in Italy early doors and I don't think I've ever felt where I am has ever been as bad as that.

Not saying it hasn't, but it just 'feels' like our situation has been nowhere near as severe as them but it obv has in the UK overall.  I went on a walk yesterday and there are still loads of folk just having a wee sit down on a picnic blanket in the gardens, maybe people were doing that in other European cities too but I never seen that.   Edinburgh is obviously one of the biggest hit in Scotland but it will still be pretty small compared to the infections and deaths in other major UK cities, maybe your perspective is a lot different being in Birmingham or something.

How should it look? Should we all be inside greeting? Like I know what you're getting at and it is a cliche, but we are known for "keep calm and carry on" and all that jazz. We can all be taking it seriously and doing our bit but still want to go about our days with a smile and trying to live within some sort of normality.

I reckon you can go to Birmingham or London and there will be loads of folks trying to live a normal life within the rules.

He is a wee contrarian tbf, so i sympathise with you on that.

As for Sikora, there are 1000s of doctors on social media you can fanboy. Not sure why you chose the government spiv. That seems a bit contrarian too. Just select another.

(04-26-2020, 11:44 AM)Ross Kemp On Spice Wrote: Couldn't resist it with contrarian boy.  

Just looking at some of the front pages this morning.

'Doctors fear we'll run out of oxygen'

'Suicidal and too scared to hug their kids - mental health agony on NHS front line'

'Don't bet on a vaccine to protect us from virus thread: world health expert'

How much darker to folk want it  

I don't think it's being darker. It just needs to be accurate.

(04-26-2020, 11:52 AM)Papin Wrote: I don't it's being darker. It just needs to be accurate.

(04-26-2020, 11:44 AM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: How should it look? Should we all be inside greeting? Like I know what you're getting at and it is a cliche, but we are known for "keep calm and carry on" and all that jazz. We can all be taking it seriously and doing our bit but still want to go about our days with a smile and trying to live within some sort of normality.

I reckon you can go to Birmingham or London and there will be loads of folks trying to live a normal life within the rules.

I'm not saying it should be like anything man, I'm not demanding the papers start posting pictures of deid bodies so folk take it seriously.  

I am just commenting that I don't feel like we are living through what I seen on the TV when we were on our way to being like them.  But I don't work in hospitals  so all I'm seeing is folk sitting having picnics in the park, going for a stroll up Arthur's seat etc.  Maybe that was happening there too but it wasn't what I seen being reported to us.

(04-26-2020, 11:54 AM)Morph Wrote: I'm not saying it should be like anything man, I'm not demanding the papers start posting pictures of deid bodies so folk take it seriously.  

I am just commenting that I don't feel like we are living through what I seen on the TV when we were on our way to being like them.  But I don't work in hospitals  so all I'm seeing is folk sitting having picnics in the park, going for a stroll up Arthur's seat etc.  Maybe that was happening there too but it wasn't what I seen being reported to us.

Other than that one video, I just remember it being all about the numbers. They were shocking. Now they're not, now they're normal. There's a handful of countries hitting Italy numbers, including us, and places like America blowing it out the water.

Sure when the first bomb hit during the blitz that it was headline news and utterly shocking to everyone. Eventually you just jumped in your shelter when the siren went like any other bomb. Once a standard is set and becomes normalised you're not going to get the same reaction anymore.