By the way, the future Queen was kicking about down there as well so I don't blame these women for going down.

(03-13-2021, 08:33 PM)Morph Wrote: You were chatting about this early in the pandemic and tbf it wasn't even on my mind to think that far ahead when there was the imminent danger of the virus.

What would've been the alternative to bringing in these emergency measures at that point?  I mind you making comments about people being way too happy to throw away their freedom and I see where you're coming from in hindsight but how else do they enforce keeping people inside when the thing was at its worst, running rampant and we didn't really know much about it?  Those measures seemed pretty crucial at that point.  

Not being wide here btw, genuine questions.

I wish I could give you a super intelligent answer but I'm just like you, a bystander watching it play out.

We live/d in an exceptional period of history where some of us living in the West have/had some democratic control over our futures. The transition from social democracy to market liberalism has seen our political class hand popular power to corporates. We didn't notice it at first, but now that the free flow of capital is screeching to a halt and the globalisation project comes to an end, what I see happening is that they will try to continue the current system by force. Varoufakis has given a nice talk on his prediction of a kind of techno-feudalism living in a rentier economy where public ownership disappears. This is also why I am not fully committed to the UBI proposals. While I want people protected from neoliberal excess, I only want us to be reliant on the state when the state is functioning healthily. Before you know it we become docile, relying on a post-cash digital economy world whereby we accrue digital credits through good societal behaviours and spend them on big tech services.

A simple example is Spotify. We used to buy records or CDs and if you lost your job you could sell your record or CD collection. It had sell-on value. If you rent a music service, then when you lose your job, you have nothing of material value to sell to accrue capital.

Same with renting driverless cars instead of owning a car of your own. You start to own nothing of value and become reliant on the state and big tech services all the while you exchange data useful for surveillance through these transactions. The more we are tracked the harder it is for people to negotiate a social contract through acts of civil disobedience as we always feel monitored.

(03-13-2021, 08:53 PM)Zizou Wrote: By the way, the future Queen was kicking about down there as well so I don't blame these women for going down.

Actual joke that Budge's daughter travelled all that way during a pandemic, tbf.

She took the budgies yacht.

(03-13-2021, 08:08 PM)S.J. Wrote: I already expect myself to get arrested in 2021 during independence marches.

Hopefully the polis Everard you too

It'll be interesting/scary to see what other powers they keep from all this emergency legislation. Was reading about some of the liberties they took for decades after the Defence of the Realm Act was passed.

Also, Roy Jenkins and the Prevention of Terrorism Acts. Still on the go, albeit renamed in 2000. I believe he called IRA terrorism, 'the biggest threat Britain had faced since the Second World War.'  

Saw a few journalists pointing this out early doors in lockdown and basically being dismissed as cranks.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwYv8nDWUAAX...ame=medium


The lassie that was peacefully ignoring the copper while getting creeped on in the first video.

Seems the cops are missing treating football fans like scum, and have resorted to doing the same with protesters.

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/statu...4548932609



There's a lot of anger over this. Will be interesting to see how it goes over the next coupe of days. Suspect Cressida Dick will fall on her sword. Should have years ago for that shocking name tbf.

(03-13-2021, 09:27 PM)El Diego Wrote: Seems the cops are missing treating football fans like scum, and have resorted to doing the same with protesters.

Was it a protest or was it a vigil that the police came in to split up due to coronavirus legislation?

of course, Rangers and Liverpool can celebrate a league win but a few lassies cant gather (wearing masks) to lay flowers and light candles?

(03-13-2021, 09:30 PM)S.J. Wrote: Was it a protest or was it a vigil that the police came in to split up due to coronavirus legislation?

of course, Rangers and Liverpool can celebrate a league win but a few lassies cant gather (wearing masks) to lay flowers and light candles?

I'm not sure man, either way the cops are fucking at it. They always choose the easy option, seen it time and again, why challenge 58k of Cheltic fans when you can pick on a couple of hundred in the away end.

Genuinely feel sorry for the people there for a peaceful vigil, but coppers are gonna copper sadly.

Aye, they only back off when they are shit scared. We should always keep that in mind.

Up the Arse Corner.

It's the police being what they always have been, just a bit more emboldened by the certain knowledge Priti Patel will back them to the hilt. It could've been different

Don't think they've turned up at 8pm and just battered them. They'll have been given warnings, many times over including that they're about to be arrested, and then they arrested them. The ladies will have most likely have discussed getting arrested, will have been advised what to do. Bit of a game, imo. Just depends upon how far you want to take it.

(03-13-2021, 10:08 PM)pondlife Wrote: Don't think they've turned up at 8pm and just battered them.  They'll have been given warnings, many times over including that they're about to be arrested, and then they arrested them.  The ladies will have most likely have discussed getting arrested, will have been advised what to do.  Bit of a game, imo.  Just depends upon how far you want to take it.

These women were asking for it.

(03-13-2021, 10:08 PM)pondlife Wrote: Don't think they've turned up at 8pm and just battered them.  They'll have been given warnings, many times over including that they're about to be arrested, and then they arrested them.  The ladies will have most likely have discussed getting arrested, will have been advised what to do.  Bit of a game, imo.  Just depends upon how far you want to take it.

You'll know who every single woman is soon enough when they let you know on Twitter.

(03-13-2021, 10:08 PM)pondlife Wrote: They'll have been given warnings, many times over including that they're about to be arrested, and then they arrested them.

This is literally in the videos - why do you think it changes anything?

(03-13-2021, 10:17 PM)S.J. Wrote: This is literally in the videos - why do you think it changes anything?

Can you rephrase your question?

(03-13-2021, 10:19 PM)pondlife Wrote: Can you rephrase your question?

There was a vigil for a woman who was murdered by a policeman right? They are showing their respects then a bunch of policemen turn up and tell them if they don't fuck off they will get arrested. Then they get their faces planted to the ground and cuffed.

Do you think they travelled all that way to then just immediately leave? That would be a bit of a silly journey dont you think?

"oh hi, im here for the vigil of a dead wom...oh whats that you want us to leave? ok no prob, thanks k bye!"