'Wings Over TalkHearts' Politics Thread

[Walter Sobchak]

Osborne is such a Shakespearean character. It's great.

[Mr A]

Love it the SNP fanboys are now outraged at the DUP whilst seemingly oblivious to the fact the the SNP have their own creationist bampot nitwit in Mason MSP


And the SNP, and their supporters, have nobody to blame other than themselves for this result. All they had to do was keep it off their manifesto at the last Holyrood elections. Even a 'the SNP will always believe in independence but don't believe that after the referendum in 2014 this parliament would be an appropriate time to push for another referendum' would have done. They didn't. They lost their majority and they've been punished at WM. It is likely that the dream is now dead - and its all their own fault

[GeoffK1874]

Think labour got something like 2% less than the tories yet 50 odd seats less this ridiculous system has to go as a matter of urgency.

And they would have been starting off a far smaller base of seats had it not been for FPTP.

Would love to know what the result would notionally be on the new boundaries which were due for the planned 2020 election. Presumably the next one will be on those boundaries.

[Zizou]

Are you going to stop being a tedious cunt utterly obsessed with the snp if they are done, mags?

[Chrambo]

SNP woods all over the shop in here from quite a few.  Delicious.

[PHOODLE-OUt]

Labour got a higher uk vote share than SNP did in Scotland. Unimaginable a few weeks ago

[Mr A]

Are you going to stop being a tedious cunt utterly obsessed with the snp if they are done, mags?

I will continue to point out their failings until they are removed from government.

Oh, and

[Patrick Bateman]

The SNP have more seats than all unionist parties combined. That's the seventh electoral victory for the SNP in a row.

Yeah, we're all distraught and disconsolate, right enough.




Mummy just threw away her majority and now has to go crawling over to EU negotiations as a lame duck PM. That's the real story here.

[Big Physical Acey]

Love it the SNP fanboys are now outraged at the DUP whilst seemingly oblivious to the fact the the SNP have their own creationist bampot nitwit in Mason MSP


And the SNP, and their supporters, have nobody to blame other than themselves for this result. All they had to do was keep it off their manifesto at the last Holyrood elections. Even a 'the SNP will always believe in independence but don't believe that after the referendum in 2014 this parliament would be an appropriate time to push for another referendum' would have done. They didn't. They lost their majority and they've been punished at WM. It is likely that the dream is now dead - and its all their own fault

Didn't know about Mason. The fewer creationist mentalists about the better, though.

I think you're right re. your second paragraph; by leaving the possibility open (tempting because of Brexit, obviously), they left themselves wide open to Dugdale & Davidson making the election in Scotland into a single-issue campaign.

The only thing I disagree with on the "SNP did poorly" front is the idea that "independence is dead". Last night has definitely put the brakes on, but it'll come back sooner than you might think, imo.

[PHOODLE-OUt]

Independence died in 2014 Acey, they just kept dangling a carrot to cling to power. Party before country just like the Tories. Time to move on, the party is in terminal decline. Labour are your only salvation

[Del-icious]

All it takes is a shambles in the brexit negotiations and indyp is back on

[Walter Sobchak]

Brexit will fail unless I get a mandate.

Doesn't get a mandate.

5 years of certainty.



A lame duck indeed. How long will she last do we all think?q

[Big Physical Acey]

Independence died in 2014 Acey, they just kept dangling a carrot to cling to power. Party before country just like the Tories. Time to move on, the party is in terminal decline. Labour are your only salvation

Never

Morph - that's where I'm at. UK gets shafted, people realise that the status quo is doomed, and we're back in business.

[Billy Butcher]

Brexit will fail unless I get a mandate.

Doesn't get a mandate.

5 years of certainty.  

   

A lame duck indeed. How long will she last do we all think?

Someone on BBC Scotland mentioned 6 hours

SNP and IndyRef2 are dead for the forseeable future. It is becoming increasingly likely the saviour of the Union will be Jeremy Corbyn, not Davidson or May. Divisive figures such as Davidson and Sturgeon will not be able to claim victory in this new chapter of Scottish politics. Sturgeon has shown herself to be naive in pursuing the agenda of IndyRef2, and Davidson is running purely on opposing the SNP and the Independence referendum which will soon be obsolete. Today, Scottish Labour are in a stronger position than they have been in many years. IndyRef2 has been shelved (SNP played themselves into a corner on the whole 'circumstantial change' aspect), and Corbyn has given Dugdale the template on which to become Scotland's biggest party once more, it remains to be seen whether Dugdale will take up that opportunity.

I get the logic of a shambles Brexit opening the door again. But honestly, I think that when the Tories screw up these negotiations, Labour will be the main beneficiaries all over the UK.

[Charlie Kelly]

Sky's Adam Boulton says it is not out of the realms of possibility that Theresa May could fail to form a minority government if senior Tories say they do not have confidence in her leadership.

The scenes if even with the DUP she still didn't manage to form a government

[Mr A]

Guys have you not realised yet that if the UK gets a shite deal from the EU - that it's bad for independence.

Unless the plan is to be out of the UK and EU then whatever trade deal the U.K. gets with the EU is the one that an independent Scotland would have to trade with the UK on. The same goes for if we want EEA membership.

If the UK gets a bad deal and faces barriers and tariffs when trading with the EU then those same barriers and tariffs will be what the U.K. will have to deal with when trading with an independent Scotland.

Try convincing Scotland that it will be better off separating from its biggest trading partner and having tariffs and barriers when trading with it.

[2MatoFish]

Apparently mags has realised that every scenario is bad for independence, so that's okay.

[Big Physical Acey]

The scenes if even with the DUP she still didn't manage to form a government

Hadn't even considered that. The scenes would be outrageous. A shameful resignation then slinking off to the backbenches in disgrace.

[PHOODLE-OUt]

What political heavyweights would we be throwing UKexit negotiations?

[Billy Butcher]

Have we discussed EVEL yet?

Could be a problem for the Tories.