Refs/ VAR

[Billy Butcher]

The Martin O’Neill meeting with Willie Collum fuels the fire as well. Yes, all managers can ask to meet with Collum and discuss things and no doubt he has met other managers.

However, since their wee chat:

• Longelo handball, not given
  
• Kyzi trip, not given
  
• Johnston wiping out Raskin, yellow card
  
• Getting an (at best dubious) penalty in the 96th minute of 95 minutes added on
  

I’m sure I’m just repeating myself as the red mist is still down, but as Mak says on the other thread that is 5 clear points they have gained on us due to ‘honest mistakes’ over three games. We’d be home and hosed if it wasn’t for them. We got decisions early on in the campaign but in October referees don’t know the ramifications of their decisions, now they do.

BTW - the fact we’ve not brought anything out yet shows that we are miles away from the level the OF play at. Celtic got dubious decisions in the Hibs game and immediately they were wanting a meeting with Collum and have since benefitted from it. We need to get smarter and ensure we didn’t roll over and get our tummy tickled.

[Groot]

https://twitter.com/fitzy__07/status/205...81320?s=46

This stupid Tim cunt thinks this proves it! You can clearly see it coming off the top of Sam’s head and if it does make contact with his hand it’s because 1) you can clearly see Trusty putting his arm in that position so it’s not an unnatural position 2) he’s not made his body any bigger so there’s no way it’s a penalty

[Zizou]

We have to release a statement. Put the pressure right on the ref at the weekend.

This isn’t the time to be soft hearts.

[Billy Butcher]

We have to release a statement. Put the pressure right on the ref at the weekend.

This isn’t the time to be soft hearts.

Celtic fans all over media posting edited images, etc and we are sitting on our hands.

Hearts need to get a move on or they will take control of the narrative.

[Del-icious]

The problem with the English latching onto this is they probably don’t understand the extent of the rot in Scottish football. They won’t fully understand the west coast monopoly on Scottish football not in terms of the OF playing squads but the make up of everything that goes on behind the scenes. Having referees reffing matches when they’ve got clear conflict of interest, Beaton the hun even fucking Collum being an RE teacher at a catholic school which sounds a ridic thing to bring up but it’s so significant in the context of Scotland. If you’ve grown up in Glasgow 90% of the time there’s going to be a cultural sway to one side or the other even if you don’t like football.

They obv have big teams who have influence (Fergie time etc) but I just don’t think it compares at all to what we have here.

They think it’s bad what’s happened but they won’t appreciate how bad it actually is, there’s so much history around stuff like this. Just about every club in Scotland can point to moments where they’ve been shafted. Celtic and rangers fans will just point to times there’s been bad decisions to the advantage of the other and say that proves there is no bias.

[Mikey]

Mind Vlad called the SFA out after about two days and then we finished top of the disciplinary charts for about 8 seasons running?

[Zizou]

Ally mccoist really made it all clear on talkSPORT earlier. Obviously he’s blinkered, but he explained how the ref made an unfavourable decision v Celtic years ago and his life was made a misery.

That’s how it works. These guys are scared for their families in the heat of the moment. They are humans. Of course this stuff crosses their minds. Imagine you were doing your job with a risk of your windows getting tanned depending on how you do the job.

[Del-icious]

Ally mccoist really made it all clear on talkSPORT earlier. Obviously he’s blinkered, but he explained how the ref made an unfavourable decision v Celtic years ago and his life was made a misery.

That’s how it works. These guys are scared for their families in the heat of the moment.

I drafted a post earlier surrounding this but couldn’t be arsed going so deep into it. Was basically saying that semi pro refs from the west coast where majority of these cunts hail from have to go to work through there. You hear players say they don’t live in Glasgow because it’s too much hassle but the referees don’t really have the same luxury to avoid the public.

My ma used to work beside madden in a huge factory near Glasgow - there’s absolutely no way he would be escaping the backlash of his decisions and there’s no way that doesn’t impact your decision making.

[Felix]

https://twitter.com/Fitzy__07/status/205...deo/1?s=46

Official Celtic TikTok

All I see is that it was a foul throw

[Zizou]

I drafted a post earlier surrounding this but couldn’t be arsed going so deep into it.  Was basically saying that semi pro refs from the west coast where majority of these cunts hail from have to go to work through there.  You hear players say they don’t live in Glasgow because it’s too much hassle but the referees don’t really have the same luxury to avoid the public.

My ma used to work beside madden in a huge factory near Glasgow - there’s absolutely no way he would be escaping the backlash of his decisions and there’s no way that doesn’t impact your decision making.

I think some of them are cheats but for most there’s that subconscious thing that their life could be made a misery. I was listening to the this is my story podcast and they found out that the ref from the weekend has a business in Motherwell. This is not ok tbh and the stuff that gets us in this situation.

They should be like players where you don’t think about them outside of the 90 minutes of football. It doesn’t excuse this decision though.

[Del-icious]

I think some of them are cheats but for most there’s that subconscious thing that their life could be made a misery. I was listening to the this is my story podcast and they found out that the ref from the weekend has a business in Motherwell. This is not ok tbh and the stuff that gets us in this situation.

They should be like players where you don’t think about them outside of the 90 minutes of football. It doesn’t excuse this decision though.

I think there's almost 0 chance there's conscious cheating tbh but more a subconscious difference in the way they're reffed and how crunch decisions are made because of what you say, shiteing it from the repercussions.

At the end of the day you're asking a part time guy to get something like this right, its laughable that's where we still are with our dial up VAR and volunteer ref force.

[2MatoFish]

Other angles or pictures don't matter. VAR saw the shitty angle from half way and decided it was a clear and obvious error. Based off that footage, and that's what fucked us.

[CritchSmile]

It’s not quite unconscious.

Deep down they know what they are doing, even if they can’t admit it to themselves as it means they have to admit they are weak corrupt men

[Cammo Toe 2]

While all our chat has been the Kyziridis penalty not given at Fir Park.

What's overlooked is their upper arm handball in their box incident. Yeah. It's the upper sleeve.

I looked up the rule. Handball is defined as tip of the finger to the base of the armpit with the shoulder generally considered the safe area.

The VAR check knows this rule but didn't even suggest a call to consider. Even though unlike Sam Nicholson the Motherwell player did this action intentionally to control the ball.

[Zizou]

While all our chat has been the Kyziridis penalty not given at Fir Park.

What's overlooked is their upper arm handball in their box incident. Yeah. It's the upper sleeve.

I looked up the rule. Handball is defined as tip of the finger to the base of the armpit with the shoulder generally considered the safe area.

The VAR check knows this rule but didn't even suggest a call to consider. Even though unlike Sam Nicholson the Motherwell player did this action intentionally to control the ball.

Mikey Stewart made this clear. It’s in line with the oxter which is literally the shoulder. He palmed it with his bicep.

Anyway I’m really reluctant to get sucked into this woe is me stuff. We have a game to win on Saturday. Let’s focus on it.

[Billy Butcher]

They are doing it consciously but it’s not because they will get pelters down the Masonic Hall or the Chapel for it. Historically it’s been worked up into ‘this cunts a fenian’ or ‘this cunts a hun’. It’s all a load of nonsense though.

As has been covered, they do it because they fear for their safety. Knowing these west coast areas, if I lived there and was a referee making these decisions I would be shitting myself. You wouldn’t be able to go out in public for weeks and months. It’s still corruption plain and simple but it’s not some Vatican organised stitch up and most of the OF fans are hard-wired to think it is some sectarian thing.

[CritchSmile]

Aye this idea that it’s down to some sort of unconscious bias human psychology.

Fuck off, they fuckin ken

[Mikey]

No sympathy for the cunts, if that is the case. Shouldn’t do the job if they’ve not got the baws to make the big calls.

[Cammo Toe 2]

Ally mccoist really made it all clear on talkSPORT earlier. Obviously he’s blinkered, but he explained how the ref made an unfavourable decision v Celtic years ago and his life was made a misery.

That’s how it works. These guys are scared for their families in the heat of the moment. They are humans. Of course this stuff crosses their minds. Imagine you were doing your job with a risk of your windows getting tanned depending on how you do the job.

Conversely. 

Dens Park 1986.

Crombie was the ref. Edinburgh born. Suspected Hearts fan.

Sandy Clark scythed in the box we got nothing.

He talked years later bout the pressure to NOT appear pro Hearts.

The ONLY solution in Scotland is professional independent foreign referees not linked to the SFA.

[Mastermind]

Hmm, I wonder why John Beaton didn't resist giving that one last night.



Hmm, I wonder why Andrew Dallas has recommended an on-field review.

I'm fucking raging about it eh, you could feel it getting to fever pitch over the last few weeks and they've just crumbled entirely while the slimey, glaikit leader sits back and watches it all unfold - giving private admissions of failure well after the incidents have occured.

To be shown one angle of that clip, not even zoomed in, for 20s, and it to be given as a penalty is absolutely chronic and torture.