General football musings

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Shaun Rees Mogg still fucking seething he never pumped his nanny

[shaun.lawson]

I'll always have more of an issue with an adult shagging a child over half his age than a football coach shagging a consenting, adult player.

So if we're going to talk about avoiding questions why do you have less of an issue with an adult shagging a child than you do with grown adults sleeping together?


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I answered that above. And would strongly query your own definitions of 'consent' and 'coercion'. Scores and scores of women have seemingly willingly slept with film directors in the hope it would help their careers. Do you regard that as 'consent'? I don't. I regard it as conditioning in a fucked up, appalling environment.

My point in that discussion we had about my friend was about grey areas. Had she been 16 years 0 days, there's apparently no problem. Had she been 15 years 364 days, there's apparently a huge problem. That makes no sense. If the argument is: "But he was so much older, therefore he had control over her", that's a) bullshit, b) patronising and c) the same argument could be made of any relationship in which there's a significant age gap.

VS' post above only confirms the general confusion and wild hypocrisy which continues to abound around this subject. Because I, a 13-year-old boy, ran away from my 21-year-old au pair, that makes me the weirdo? Turn that around - 21-year-old man tries to sleep with 13-year-old girl - and see what the response suddenly becomes. And ages ago, I mentioned not having slept with a student on my teacher training course. Apparently, that made me a weirdo as well. Even though it was the correct moral and ethical course to take.

[Johnny]

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I answered that above. And would strongly query your own definitions of 'consent' and 'coercion'. Scores and scores of women have seemingly willing slept with film directors in the hope it would help their careers. Do you regard that as 'consent'? I don't. I regard it as conditioning in a fucked up, appalling environment.

My point in that discussion we had about my friend was about grey areas. Had she been 16 years 0 days, there's apparently no problem. Had she been 15 years 364 days, there's apparently a huge problem. That makes no sense. If the argument is: "But he was so much older, therefore he had control over her", that's a) bullshit, b) patronising and c) the same argument could be made of any relationship in which there's a significant age gap.

VS' post above only confirms the general confusion and wild hypocrisy which continues to abound around this subject. Because I, a 13-year-old boy, ran away from my 21-year-old au pair, that makes me the weirdo? Turn that around - 21-year-old man tries to sleep with 13-year-old girl - and see what the response suddenly becomes. And ages ago, I mentioned not having slept with a student on my teacher training course. Apparently, that made me a weirdo as well. Even though it was the correct moral and ethical course to take.

You must regret not pumping her all roads? It's only natural.

[CritchSmile]

Shaun, sometimes I wonder if you view women as powerless, agentless, secondary beings, with no rational minds and always needing "saved".

That is it's own misogyny. The type of mindset who will “protect” women from the world but get upset/go in a huff when their efforts aren't rewarded with sex.

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Shaun, sometimes I wonder if you view women as powerless, agentless, secondary beings, with no rational minds and always needing "saved".

That is it's own misogyny. The type of mindset who will “protect” women from the world but get upset/go in a huff when their efforts aren't rewarded with sex.

Shaun's a nice guy.

[rojo]

A manager shagging a player could create a toxic environment for the rest of the squad. Does the manager keep picking said player because they are shagging them, or because they are the best for that position and does the squad think that?

There is a conflict of interest there (do they drop the player for being poor but have to sleep alone tonight?) with manager's integrity under a microscope.

To put it simply - don't shit where you eat. Doesn't matter how tidy you try to make it, it'll end up like diarrhea on the walls.

[CritchSmile]

don't shit where you eat. Doesn't matter how tidy you try to make it, it'll end up like diarrhea on the walls.

Good advice. Chester and Morgan should take heid next time they are tanning cans of tennents in their bathrooms.

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[Herman Boyce]

OK Shaun, let's discuss your completely hypothetical situations.

Would I be happy with my 16 or 17 year old daughter having an affair with a teacher? No. Because I agree with you that there is a grey area about what age it's acceptable for an adult to have sexual relations with a young person. I don't think anyone would debate that with you. That's why it wouldn't be OK for the guy you mentioned to be rattling your pal the day she turned 16. Maybe in the eyes of the law it would be OK, but it would still be seriously creepy and wrong in most people's eyes. I think that very point was made by many on here when you first made this ridiculous argument.

Mainly though, I'd have an issue with my 16 year old daughter sleeping with her teacher because he'd almost certainly have gotten to know her as a child before she turned 16. Just like I assume this guy knew your pal for a while, as a child, before they got together. Which makes it even more creepy, weird and unacceptable.

That grey area of what is acceptable diminishes the further a person gets from childhood. Which is why I'd have less of an issue with my 18-21 year old daughter sleeping with her university lecturer. But also because, importantly, the lecturer wouldn't have known her and therefore first developed a relationship with her when she was a child. Definitely much less creepy and weird.

I'd still not be best pleased about her shagging a guy in his mid to late 30s, but if she was comfortable with it being fully consensual then I don't think there's much I could grumble about.

I'd be appalled, to use your turn of phrase, if she told me she was doing it because she thought it would get her better grades. And I'd be fuming if she was doing it because he told her he'd give her better grades. But those are totally different to simply getting with someone because you want to.

As far as I'm aware, Sampson hasn't been accused of coercing anyone, or even pushing the limits of what might be considered consensual. On the back of everything that's come out about Weinstein you'd have thought if there was even a hint of anything similar going on involving Sampson then the player(s?) he was involved with would be queuing up to get that out there. That's not happened, and until it does I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that it probably was just two consensual, grown adults doing something they were both comfortable with.

If you want to be appalled by that because they were a coach and a player then you carry on blowing your trumpet and waving your banners. But if that is how you feel, I don't see how you can be anything less than at least equally appalled at the thought of a man in his late 30s developing a relationship and an attraction over a period of time for a 15 year old girl which resulted in them sleeping together while she was still 15.

[shaun.lawson]

Shaun, sometimes I wonder if you view women as powerless, agentless, secondary beings, with no rational minds and always needing "saved".

That is it's own misogyny. The type of mindset who will “protect” women from the world but get upset/go in a huff when their efforts aren't rewarded with sex.

No. The opposite. You're absolutely correct that it used to be my perspective - an arrogant, patronising, infantilising one at that (albeit, it was never ever a viewpoint I wanted to or thought would be "rewarded with sex").

It hasn't been my perspective for a long, long time now. Yet when I defended my friend on here - and made precisely the point you're making, because the assumptions made about her lack of agency were patronising as fuck - all hell broke loose.

[shaun.lawson]

A manager shagging a player could create a toxic environment for the rest of the squad. Does the manager keep picking said player because they are shagging them, or because they are the best for that position and does the squad think that?

There is a conflict of interest there (do they drop the player for being poor but have to sleep alone tonight?) with manager's integrity under a microscope.

To put it simply - don't shit where you eat. Doesn't matter how tidy you try to make it, it'll end up like diarrhea on the walls.

Exactly. Then consider the pressure other players looking to break into the team may feel, and the mess it all creates.

[Herman Boyce]

No. The opposite. You're absolutely correct that it used to be my perspective - an arrogant, patronising, infantilising one at that (albeit, it was never ever a viewpoint I wanted to or thought would be "rewarded with sex").

It hasn't been my perspective for a long, long time now. Yet when I defended my friend on here - and made precisely the point you're making, because the assumptions made about her lack of agency were patronising as fuck - all hell broke loose.

And yet you don't appear willing to consider even for a second that there may have been nothing underhand going on with Sampson, on the basis that Weinstein is a dirty, raging sex pest