Talk Hearts Daily News Thread

**Zizou** · 11-30-2015, 10:45 AM

(11-30-2015, 10:43 AM)TheMaganator2.0 Wrote: ^^pro-ISIS type post.

The argument for it is to stop these fuckers expanding further and taking all of Syria as their own wee state.

By chucking a few bombs at it and hoping some Syrian jokers clean up the mess?

Dank

~~Dexter~~ · 11-30-2015, 10:45 AM

^ worked in Iraq.

Ah....

**Mr A** · 11-30-2015, 10:51 AM

(11-30-2015, 10:45 AM)Alan Partridge Wrote: By chucking a few bombs at it and hoping some Syrian jokers clean up the mess?

Your suggestion would be to negotiate then?

Or would you prefer we bombed and sent in troops?

**Zizou** · 11-30-2015, 10:58 AM

(11-30-2015, 10:51 AM)TheMaganator2.0 Wrote: Your suggestion would be to negotiate then?

Or would you prefer we bombed and sent in troops?

I don't know what the answer is, it's incredibly complex, but I really don't think the case presented by Cameron is convincing enough to go in with the bombs.

**CritchSmile** · (Edited 11-30-2015, 11:26 AM by CritchSmile.)

Mind when Cameron was going to arm various rebel groups, the main one being Isis to oust Assad. Hehehe

He doesn't know what he's doing. That's the main point. Dangerous to have such a vacuous being in charge of military decisions.

PHOODLE-OUt · 11-30-2015, 11:29 AM

Supposedly our bombing campaign against ISIS in Iraq has killed over 300 of them, 0 civilians* and reduced their territory by 30% Quite Good

TBH I dont really see the difference in bombing them in Syria as we're already doing it a few miles away over a practically non existent border.

*Find that statistic hard to believe.

Walter Sobchak · 11-30-2015, 11:35 AM

(11-28-2015, 02:41 PM)TheMaganator2.0 Wrote: If you brandish anyone who has concerns about immigration or taking in refugees as a racist then you are a loony moron.

It's that simple I'm afraid.

The thing about taking in refugees is we signed up to the 1951 convention, so we are kind of stuck with it. It's, you know, the law.

**Mr A** · 11-30-2015, 12:28 PM

(11-30-2015, 11:35 AM)Walter Sobchak Wrote: The thing about taking in refugees is we signed up to the 1951 convention, so we are kind of stuck with it. It's, you know, the law.

That doesn't mean people can't have concerns about it though.

I.J · 11-30-2015, 12:32 PM

Ian Murray was against Trident too, I wouldn't read to much into his hourly opinion change.

~~shaun.lawson~~ · 11-30-2015, 02:34 PM

Some maps for your perusal:

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If there are 70,000 FSA troops (which there aren't), they're not exactly well placed.

11-30-2015, 03:18 PM

Not sure what you mean about them being well placed?

Most noticable thing about that is that al-Nusra are involved in almost exclusively urban fighting and just how much of a clusterfuck Aleppo is. The map (whilst probably lacking some detail) also highlights the point I made in the politics thread about the limited contact between ISIS and the Assad regime.

**Mr A** · 11-30-2015, 06:07 PM

(11-30-2015, 02:34 PM)shaun.lawson Wrote: Some maps for your perusal:

If there are 70,000 FSA troops (which there aren't), they're not exactly well placed.

I thought it was FSA + their chums, rather than them exclusively.

If it's them on their own I agree - they're not well placed to do much. ISIS don't control as much territory as I thought (assuming your pictures are correct).

Walter Sobchak · 11-30-2015, 06:09 PM

Ah, those cuddly chaps, the al-nusrah front, the islamic front and the jaysh al-mujahideen.

**Mr A** · 11-30-2015, 06:13 PM

(11-30-2015, 06:09 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote: Ah, those cuddly chaps, the al-nusrah front, the islamic front and the jaysh al-mujahideen.

A fair point. My enemy's enemy and all that though.

Cheeky Gnando’s · 11-30-2015, 06:16 PM

(11-30-2015, 06:09 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote: Ah, those cuddly chaps, the al-nusrah front, the islamic front and the jaysh al-mujahideen.

Fuck off, they're the People's Front of Al-Nusrah Mugbie

^^^ standard kickback line

~~shaun.lawson~~ · 11-30-2015, 06:22 PM

(11-30-2015, 06:09 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote: Ah, those cuddly chaps, the al-nusrah front, the islamic front and the jaysh al-mujahideen.

ISIS: "Do you believe in God?" "Yes". "Do you believe in my God?" "Yes". "Can you recite the following verse of the Koran?" "Yes". "Will you smite the unbelievers?" "No". "BANG! Dead".

Al-Nusrah: "Do you believe in God?" "Yes". "Do you believe in my God?" "Yes". "Has a woman in your family ever left her place of dwelling without a male relative?" "Yes". "BANG! Dead".

Islamic Front: "Do you believe in God?" "Yes". "Do you believe in my God?" "Well, your God doesn't seem to be helping you make much progress here..." "BANG! Dead".

Authenticity and Development Front: "Do you believe in God?" "Yes". "Do you believe in authenticity and development?" "Could you please elaborate?" "BANG! Dead".

Free Syrian Army: "Do you believe in removing Assad?" "Yes". Do you believe in peace and justice for all Syrians?" "Yes". "Do you believe in God?" "No". "BANG! Dead".

Walter Sobchak · 11-30-2015, 06:38 PM

(11-30-2015, 06:22 PM)shaun.lawson Wrote: ISIS: "Do you believe in God?" "Yes". "Do you believe in my God?" "Yes". "Can you recite the following verse of the Koran?" "Yes". "Will you smite the unbelievers?" "No". "BANG! Dead".

Al-Nusrah: "Do you believe in God?" "Yes". "Do you believe in my God?" "Yes". "Has a woman in your family ever left her place of dwelling without a male relative?" "Yes". "BANG! Dead".

Islamic Front: "Do you believe in God?" "Yes". "Do you believe in my God?" "Well, your God doesn't seem to be helping you make much progress here..." "BANG! Dead".

Authenticity and Development Front: "Do you believe in God?" "Yes". "Do you believe in authenticity and development?" "Could you please elaborate?" "BANG! Dead".

Free Syrian Army: "Do you believe in removing Assad?" "Yes". Do you believe in peace and justice for all Syrians?" "Yes". "Do you believe in God?" "No". "BANG! Dead".

Putting the death and misery they've wrought to one side, that's a superbly weird name for a militia. Some 2009 era hipsters going to source some authentic figs and olives who got caught up in the fighting I presume.

~~shaun.lawson~~ · 11-30-2015, 06:43 PM

(11-30-2015, 06:38 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote: Putting the death and misery they've wrought to one side, that's a superbly weird name for a militia. Some 2009 era hipsters going to source some authentic figs and olives who got caught up in the fighting I presume.

In Uruguay, there's a party called "El Partido Ecologista Radical Intransigente". Which is just brilliant. Laugh

~~shaun.lawson~~ · 11-30-2015, 06:48 PM

Just this once, go Vlad. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-3...ws_central Wow

11-30-2015, 06:49 PM

(11-30-2015, 06:38 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote: Putting the death and misery they've wrought to one side, that's a superbly weird name for a militia. Some 2009 era hipsters going to source some authentic figs and olives who got caught up in the fighting I presume.

The name stuck out to me as well, was looking them up a couple of weeks ago along with a lot of other factions. I think they're basically one of these groups that would be classed in the moderate islamist camp, in that they were one of these brigades that received Saudi funding and along the way have picked up army defectors and civilians. They're classed as islamist but they don't go beheading children to prove a point.

Think it's worth pointing out that not all of these brigades that are islamist are necessarily extreme in comparison to other groups.