Hearts Youth Team Goal

[CritchSmile]

https://www.facebook.com/darren.murray.7...nref=story


and we put Gary Locke in charge instead of Darren Murray.

Actually, it's not even funny. Makes me quite angry.

[Cheeky Gnando’s]

Gary Locke doesn't know how many sides a triangle has.

[Prancer]

Darren Murray maybe made them play good football but they lacked that something. It was only after he left a lot of them really came on to first team level.

They lacked physical and mental strength and yes they played pretty football but often lost games and couldn't compete when pushed about.

Look at the likes of Nicholson, King etc. now and look at how much physically they look like footballers now, this only happened over the last 12 months.

Murray produced weak players of whom the majority are now lucky to be playing juniors.

[Papin]

Fucking scandalous to be fair.
Who was making the calls at that point?
At least Murray is involved again at some level, although he should probably be in there instead of Jack Ross.

[Cheeky Gnando’s]

Darren Murray maybe made them play good football but they lacked that something. It was only after he left a lot of them really came on to first team level.

They lacked physical and mental strength and yes they played pretty football but often lost games and couldn't compete when pushed about.

Look at the likes of Nicholson, King etc. now and look at how much physically they look like footballers now, this only happened over the last 12 months.

Murray produced weak players of whom the majority are now lucky to be playing juniors.

Aye, look at how these slips of laddies have filled out and become physically stronger as they reach their 20s. It's a miracle

[PHOODLE-OUt]

Darren Murray maybe made them play good football but they lacked that something. It was only after he left a lot of them really came on to first team level.

They lacked physical and mental strength and yes they played pretty football but often lost games and couldn't compete when pushed about.

Look at the likes of Nicholson, King etc. now and look at how much physically they look like footballers now, this only happened over the last 12 months.

Murray produced weak players of whom the majority are now lucky to be playing juniors.

[Sterling Archer]

Has that been shared before? Never seen it.

Locke

[CritchSmile]

Darren Murray maybe made them play good football but they lacked that something. It was only after he left a lot of them really came on to first team level.

They lacked physical and mental strength and yes they played pretty football but often lost games and couldn't compete when pushed about.

Look at the likes of Nicholson, King etc. now and look at how much physically they look like footballers now, this only happened over the last 12 months.

Murray produced weak players of whom the majority are now lucky to be playing juniors.

You've always had bizarro opinions on the youths.

[Prancer]

You've always had bizarro opinions on the youths.

No I just don't buy this youth football doesn't matter and it's about how you play etc. It's all great producing pretty football at u20 level where it doesn't really matter but that needs to be mixed with an understanding thugs like Lee McCulloch/Scott Brown will foul them to fuck in real football and hence you need to produce guys who can produce football and hold their own. For me Darren Murray's players really struggled with the latter. This for me is something that increased greatly once Robbie got involved.

Billy King is a perfect example. Remember going up to Dingwall about 2.5 years back and he was fucking shite, he could run and dribble but every time he got near a man they shoved him off the ball whereas now he can actually ride the challenge and beat them. I don't really think Darren Murray did that with players and instead he produced talented but soft footballers.

Of course he is 2.5 years older but I don't really think it was that, Guys like Robinson etc. were far too slow for 1st team football at Hearts, wanted an age on the ball and didn't have the physical strength to buy that time, Tapping was the same, even Holt to a lesser degree struggled with that.

[Charlie Kelly]

You realise a lot of those players are the ones pishing all over everyone in front of them right now Prancer?

[Prancer]

You realise a lot of those players are the ones pishing all over everyone in front of them right now Prancer?

2 years down the line with a different manager - my own feeling is that Robbie took the (very good) foundations Murray laid and produced the finished article.

I'm not as convinced we'd have got the finished article without Robbie being involved.

I think Murray is a very good coach, just that I wouldn't be that comfortable in his ability to finish the complete player we need for SPL football.

As good as the football is in that video, the pace and physical battle you'd get with proper first team football is non existent.

[King WillDred of Orange]

Prancer, I mean this in the nicest possible way, but are you an actual sp.astic

[Edson Arantes 2Nascimento]

I watched that video a few days ago, and it's magnificent. It highlights just how fucking ignorant all of us really are about how teams set about playing football at a high level. And for all that, there's defensive play to counter it. The mind boggles that the majority of folk will simplify play so that it can be understood and regurgitated.

That's when it's done well of course. Summing up play under certain of our managers would be possible by most of our fans. And yet something as simple as "if we pass the ball alot then the other team runs and then gets tired and then we score" seemed to elude the majority of our fans last, so i think phases of play might be beyond them.

prancer

[Charlie Kelly]

The onus on producing the finished article has to lie with the head coach, don't doubt Nicholson and Walker wouldn't be as good if they were like Robinson and had their main development handled by mugs like McGlynn and Locke.

I don't doubt if he had the opportunity to finish the job off as head coach he'd have done a good job, glad he didn't get the chance though because we might not have ended up with Robbie now.

[Prancer]

Everyone is allowed their opinion but mines is that Darren Murray produced footballers for U20's rather than footballers for the first team.

The pace in that video is completely unrepresentative of competitive football at any level so whilst it is pretty folk are wandering around the park under no real pressure that would be put on in a competitive game.

It was only once Robbie became involved they became able to do that at a competitive level for the first team.

It's probably good that Murray is partly involved in youth coaching again, I just wouldn't want him solely responsible at say u20 level management as I think his players need that final stage of development that Robbie gave them.

[Cheeky Gnando’s]

Criticising teenage boys' coaches for them not being fully developed, ripped athletes until they hit their 20s is a fucking classic

[Edson Arantes 2Nascimento]

prancer is going to a lot of effort for what otherwise could've been achieved by writing

Robbie = Gainz

[Prancer]

prancer is going to a lot of effort for what otherwise could've been achieved by writing

Robbie = Gainz

Summed up

[PHOODLE-OUt]

Criticising teenage boys' coaches for them not being fully developed, ripped athletes until they hit their 20s is a fucking classic

I weighed about 8 stone when I was 18, glad to know my doubling in weight has been down to strength conditioning and not my body developing/eating all the pies.

[Zizou]

Was that John hill guy around back then? He's the main factor in the condition of our youngsters now imo.

Murray done his job perfectly and we are now reaping the rewards. We should get him back if possible.