Results against the big teams

[Zizou]

Aberdeen:

Hearts 1 - 3 Aberdeen
Aberdeen 1 - 0 Hearts

Celtic

Celtic 3 - 0 Hearts
Hearts 0 - 4 Celtic
Celtic 0 - 0 Hearts
Hearts 1 - 2 Celtic

Hibs

Hearts 2 - 1 Hibs
Hibs 1 - 1 Hearts
Hearts 1 - 1 Hibs
Hibs 2 - 0 Hearts

Rangers

Rangers 1 - 2 Hearts
Hearts 2 - 0 Rangers
Rangers 2 - 1 Hearts
Hearts 2 - 2 Rangers

Played 14.

Won 3.

Drawn 4.

Lost 7



Two of those wins were v Ally McCoist as well so you can make your own mind up on that.

Really, really fucking bad. Verging on unacceptable. Not just the results, the performances on the whole have been awful.

[Roger H. Sterling]

Neilson is a shite manager. Simple as that really. He's reaped the rewards of being in control of a good group of players last season, and again this season in a very uninspiring league. Anybody could be doing his job.

[Cheeky Gnando’s]

It is unacceptable. Sick of watching the exact same performance every single time we play a decent side. We went at Aberdeen for 10-15 minutes in the second half today and had them properly on the ropes. Reverted back into our shell and end up losing the game. McGhee will rightly get the blame, but the real fault lies with Neilson. Constantly sets us up far too conservatively and has us playing far too pedestrian, and it's easy to play against.

[Zizou]

Neilson is a shite manager. Simple as that really. He's reaped the rewards of being in control of a good group of players last season, and again this season in a very uninspiring league. Anybody could be doing his job.

I don't think he's a shite manager really. He has a league under his belt and we are currently third. For some reason though, all the things that made us good last season have gone. The football is absolutely horrendous to watch, he's too concerned with the opposition and he is really cautious. He simply doesn't have the answers against teams like Aberdeen which is a real worry.

[Shteve]

it's over thinking and being overly cautious, he obviously doesn't think we're good enough to really go at teams in these games, which is a shame.

[Roger H. Sterling]

I don't think he's a shite manager really. He has a league under his belt and we are currently third. For some reason though, all the things that made us good last season have gone. The football is absolutely horrendous to watch, he's too concerned with the opposition and he is really cautious. He simply doesn't have the answers against teams like Aberdeen which is a real worry.

It's the 2nd tier teams imo. What makes him a good manager in your opinion?

[Herman Boyce]

He seems scared to let us have a real go at teams. Doesn't make sense at all.

It sure be clearly apparent to him that we aren't capable of defending a lead or nicking a goal to win off the back of trying to keep things tight.


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[The Comedian]

I can handle results being up and down, it's Hearts at the end of the day. Our style of play does it for me.

Boring and cautious, giving sides who don't deserve it too much respect. It's not really encouraging me to get off my hole and watch them play when IMO they are shite viewing.

Take the brakes off and play to win matches, we'll pickup more points IMO and the fan's will enjoy the football more. It's not about being gung Ho either, we can still keep it tight.

[PHOODLE-OUt]

Good manager but a total shitebag in big games. Concentrates on trying not to get beat rather than trying to win.

[Charlie Kelly]

I think the early season defensive form has put him off going for it. Last season I could understand it in a way, we clearly had every other team beat last season so making sure we didn't lose against Hibs and Rangers was going to be enough. Sadly I think that attitude has carried forward to this season.

It's a weird one though because what he says in the media about wanting to go at teams and control and win games never translates on to what happens on the park.

[Zizou]

It's the 2nd tier teams imo. What makes him a good manager in your opinion?

Possibly. Although there have been times this season like a 15 minute spell v Killie where everything clicks and we could have had about 4. It's just frustrating as we know it is in there.

I wouldn't call him a great manager but he won a league consisting of Hibs and Rangers with a fairly young team off the back of a massive event for the club. McGlynn, Locke and many other former managers wouldn't have done that.

[Prancer]

Will wait and see how we do against Celtic but anything short of at least a decent attempt at getting something will show his level of ambition.

[Timothy Dugshite]

Maybe only the game at Ibrox on the opening day last season was a decent performance, although even then we were dirty as fuck. There hasn't really been one game that we have actually fully controlled out of those mentioned.

If Aberdeen put us out of the Scottish Cup it will be horrendous and I'll really start to lose patience with Neilson. The Sheep are good, but they shouldn't be turning us over three times on the spin. That's unheard of over the past 20-odd years.

[Roger H. Sterling]

Possibly. Although there have been times this season like a 15 minute spell v Killie where everything clicks and we could have had about 4. It's just frustrating as we know it is in there.

I wouldn't call him a great manager but he won a league consisting of Hibs and Rangers with a fairly young team off the back of a massive event for the club. McGlynn, Locke and many other former managers wouldn't have done that.

I agree, but I see those 15 minute spells you talk about as indicative of the players we've got, and not what Robbie is doing. As I said, stick you in the dugout and we'd still have those 15 minutes because we're fielding 11 fairly solid players who will click eventually. What we need is someone who can take those 15 minutes, see why it works, and put that into practice week in week out, which Robbie can't seem to do.

[Sterling Archer]

Maybe only the game at Ibrox on the opening day last season was a decent performance, although even then we were dirty as fuck. There hasn't really been one game that we have actually fully controlled out of those mentioned.

If Aberdeen put us out of the Scottish Cup it will be horrendous and I'll really start to lose patience with Neilson. The Sheep are good, but they shouldn't be turning us over three times on the spin. That's unheard of over the past 20-odd years.

Yeah the win against Rangers at Tynecastle was fairly comfortable in the end but only because of the sending off. Would have been a very different game otherwise.

[Sterling Archer]

Remember that two of those draws came from last minute equalisers as well (Ozturk and Zeefuik)

[Winston Churchill]

When Neilson coughs. You can see Mr Levein's wedding ring.

[shaun.lawson]

For the life of me, I don't see how someone who in his first season in management, won the league with 91 points, 21 points ahead of Rangers, can possibly be described as a "shite manager". And you can dismiss all those wins against diddy clubs if you want - but this isn't a computer game FFS.

Does his record in big games give cause for concern? Yes, but I'm not unduly worried either. In Neilson's head, I think, is the following:

1. We almost went bust a couple of years back

2. We're in our first season back in the top league

Meaning he's looking for us to establish ourselves before pushing on. Also meaning that he'll have viewed today - away to an Aberdeen side who thrashed us last time out - as the second toughest fixture we could have.

A lot of people seem to have the mindset that as we're Hearts, all the bad times somehow never happened, and we should automatically expect top 2/3 back in the top flight. It doesn't work like that. Aberdeen finished 2nd last season, 3rd the year before. They're ahead of us in that sense, and have a much more experienced manager.

We'll overhaul them, certainly. It just takes time. As it will for Neilson to have more confidence in the players at his disposal and to open up. This is about building a squad; and many, many good managers throughout the game do consciously keep the handbreak on while it's being built.

[The Great Khali]

I blame stevie Crawford to be honest.

[Roger H. Sterling]

For the life of me, I don't see how someone who in his first season in management, won the league with 91 points, 21 points ahead of Rangers, can possibly be described as a "shite manager". And you can dismiss all those wins against diddy clubs if you want - but this isn't a computer game FFS.

Does his record in big games give cause for concern? Yes, but I'm not unduly worried either. In Neilson's head, I think, is the following:

1. We almost went bust a couple of years back

2. We're in our first season back in the top league

Meaning he's looking for us to establish ourselves before pushing on. Also meaning that he'll have viewed today - away to an Aberdeen side who thrashed us last time out - as the second toughest fixture we could have.

A lot of people seem to have the mindset that as we're Hearts, all the bad times somehow never happened, and we should automatically expect top 2/3 back in the top flight. It doesn't work like that. Aberdeen finished 2nd last season, 3rd the year before. They're ahead of us in that sense, and have a much more experienced manager.

We'll overhaul them, certainly. It just takes time. As it will for Neilson to have more confidence in the players at his disposal and to open up. This is about building a squad; and many, many good managers throughout the game do consciously keep the handbreak on while it's being built.

My point is though Shaun, is that were those results indicative of the manger we have or the players we have? Would we have really been any worse off with anyone else in the dugout? Yeah, ok, he's not shite. He didn't monumentally fuck up. But a good manager that does not make.