10-28-2015, 10:25 AM (Edited 10-28-2015, 10:26 AM by Hung S.J..)
Sounds like a there are a few men on here who bare grudges against women. Very predictable that they will take out their angst on the legitimate feminist movement.
(10-28-2015, 09:18 AM)Makween Wrote: I don't see how anyone could disagree with the basic principles of feminism. Some of the third wave stuff is cringey, but I think it has to he remembered that it mainly comes from a shouty minority on the internet. Â We still don't live in an equal society, and it's right that people are pointing that out and trying to fight inequality.
The article does actually sum up a lot of my experience of men who are quick to self-define as feminists, which is part of why I'm generally hesitant to do so.  You can  support the aims of the feminist movement as a man without needing to go on about it in the search for Brownie points.
Good post and I agree, only thing I would add is that I don't believe a tampon tax campaign is the best use of this energy. It seems that real feminist causes have fallen away and been replaced with quick hit campaigns to get attention rather than work for any substantive change.
Things are more equal now than they've ever been, and of course there is still progress to be made but that's not what I take away from these 3rd wave campaigns and twitter hashtag causes.
(10-28-2015, 10:05 AM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: I've got absolutely no qualms with female hygiene. Find it really strange that a grown man would be in any way bothered about picking up tampons at the shop. Kind of hoping that's just a wind up.
I don't think anyone disagrees that women should have the same rights as men at every turn. It's the whole down with the patriarchy conspiracy nonsense that's been alluded to that's deserving of a wiggo. But as you said, these types of feminist, and the types of people that are against equality, are only really found on the internet. It's just angry people finding a way to vent their frustrations.
Indeed. I think you would struggle to find any sane person who didn't think that the sexes should be treated equally. It is the militant nut jobs that give the movement a bad name.
(10-28-2015, 10:35 AM)Donald Dank Wrote: Good post and I agree, only thing I would add is that I don't believe a tampon tax campaign is the best use of this energy. It seems that real feminist causes have fallen away and been replaced with quick hit campaigns to get attention rather than work for any substantive change.
Things are more equal now than they've ever been, and of course there is still progress to be made but that's not what I take away from these 3rd wave campaigns and twitter hashtag causes.
I do think there's a place for that kind of campaign, although I'd agree that they should be part of a bigger picture. It's about changing mindsets more generally: we live in a male-dominated society and often sexism is completely unconscious, so drawing attention to the small issues women face is worthwhile, in my opinion. You need to change all of the small things to be able to tackle the big ones. The issue with a lot of those taking part in Twitter campaigns (and this point could be extended beyond feminism to any form of political activism) is to what extent the majority of those taking part are actually engaged beyond hitting that RT button. To that extent, while on one hand you could argue that any form of engagement is better than no engagement (and in general I'd agree) it can be counterproductive in that people look at it and assume that it's all there is to feminism.
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(10-28-2015, 01:13 PM)Frank Underwood Wrote: Last year when I lived with two women I went to go to the toilet and found a used tampon sitting in the pan
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I'd have eenie meenie miney mo'd it and murdered one of them in their sleep.
Nothing worse than seeing a rasberry t-bag in the toilet.
10-28-2015, 02:21 PM (Edited 10-28-2015, 02:21 PM by Hung S.J..)
(10-28-2015, 01:46 PM)Makween Wrote: I do think there's a place for that kind of campaign, although I'd agree that they should be part of a bigger picture. Â It's about changing mindsets more generally: we live in a male-dominated society and often sexism is completely unconscious, so drawing attention to the small issues women face is worthwhile, in my opinion. Â You need to change all of the small things to be able to tackle the big ones. Â The issue with a lot of those taking part in Twitter campaigns (and this point could be extended beyond feminism to any form of political activism) is to what extent the majority of those taking part are actually engaged beyond hitting that RT button. Â To that extent, while on one hand you could argue that any form of engagement is better than no engagement (and in general I'd agree) it can be counterproductive in that people look at it and assume that it's all there is to feminism.
It's not for Donald Dank to define what "real feminist causes" are.
(10-28-2015, 02:21 PM)S.J. Wrote: It's not for Donald Dank to define what "real feminist causes" are.
He'll never understand that though.
I don't attempt to define them, but I'm entitled to state my views on what are and aren't worthwhile campaigns/causes. Who is it up to, if not all of us?
What you want to belive is that because I say there are inconsistencies and misinformation in recent feminist campains I'm a woman hater.
10-28-2015, 03:13 PM (Edited 10-28-2015, 03:19 PM by Hung S.J..)
(10-28-2015, 02:35 PM)Donald Dank Wrote: I don't attempt to define them, but I'm entitled to state my views on what are and aren't worthwhile campaigns/causes. Who is it up to, if not all of us?
What you want to belive is that because I say there are inconsistencies and misinformation in recent feminist campains I'm a woman hater.
If a movement has come together in the belief that a tax on tampons is an economic barrier to females that can be overcome, then it has already been decided to be a "real feminist cause". So no. It's not up to "all of us", to be judge and jury on what is a real cause or not. Otherwise you remove all value of social movement.
On a side-point, your usual rebuttal is that I have "purposely misinterpreted" what you say. I would kindly point out that you didn't say you had a view on a "worthwhile campaign" you used the phrase "a real feminist cause". Please stick to what you said in future so that there is no risk of me misinterpreting you.