(10-11-2017, 10:54 AM)TheMaganator4.0 Wrote: There are some yes - they do not outweigh the negatives though.
That's a matter of opinion. I for one, have complete distain for the direction the EU is heading in ad it's expansionist hopes. The EU has a dream of a federal state and its something I would rather we weren't apart of.
(10-11-2017, 11:18 AM)Bill Cosby Wrote: That's a matter of opinion. I for one, have complete distain for the direction the EU is heading in ad it's expansionist hopes. The EU has a dream of a federal state and its something I would rather we weren't apart of.
That's fine. But you will likely accept that there will be a short-medium term economic shock.
For you the positives outweigh the negatives. We disagree on that.
(10-11-2017, 11:18 AM)Bill Cosby Wrote: That's a matter of opinion. I for one, have complete distain for the direction the EU is heading in ad it's expansionist hopes. The EU has a dream of a federal state and its something I would rather we weren't apart of.
Why, out of interest? I don't know enough about it. What difference would it make to your life?
Srspost: the Brexit shambles has made me rethink Scottish independence in a big way. I'm still inclined to support it, but I can see why lots of people wouldn't now.
(08-02-2018, 09:04 AM)Mags Wrote: A resposta é Sim.
It depends on how you interpret change. The markets will of course react badly to change, I can't say I really give a fuck about that as most of the profits derived by large corporates are off shored to tax havens anyway. The government has shown its filling to interfere in the market to benefit the wealthiest amongst us when it bailed out the banks, let's see them interfere in the markets to benefit the majority.
I feel it's an opportunity for the UK to find its national identity again. We have an opportunity to support our industries again without the EU interfering. For example it was clearly in the national intrest to have a steel industry and yet we couldn't help them when they needed it the most.
We have the opportunity to elect progressive government who have freehand to make the decisions that could ultimately improve life for everyone.
The EU has grown too large and is far too ambitious. We are seeing just how difficult it is to leave the orginisation in times of relative peace. They clearly don't want the best for the British people, we had a democratic vote and decided to leave and they are hell bent on ensuring that we are punished for doing so. That's not an orginisation I feel comfortable being apart of.
What happens when they form their EU army and start making decisions that we don't care for in this country? I think it's a very dangerous path and remain happy we have decided to leave. It opens the door for us to interact with the rest of the world in an increasingly digital age.
(10-11-2017, 11:44 AM)Aceymandias Wrote: What does this mean, if not “fewer foreigners� How have we “lost†this “national identity�
I was thinking more along the lines of moving closer to a country that founded an NHS rather than a country that sanctions a £6bn tax write off for Vodafone.
I was thinking more along the lines of moving closer to a country that founded an NHS rather than a country that sanctions a £6bn tax write off for Vodafone.
Will leaving the EU damage the big business and corporations to the benefit of the little guy? Will we find a moral compass by detaching ourselves from a Brussels or will we carry on giving tax breaks to the big dogs? Genuine question, I'm not clued up.
Surely they'll just carry on finding that £6bn by shafting the little guy? The cunts.
(10-11-2017, 11:58 AM)Pete Seeger Wrote: Will leaving the EU damage the big business and corporations to the benefit of the little guy? Will we find a moral compass by detaching ourselves from a Brussels or will we carry on giving tax breaks to the big dogs? Genuine question, I'm not clued up.
Surely they'll just carry on finding that £6bn by shafting the little guy? The cunts.
If anything we will become more 'pro-business' in an attempt to attract the money that we lose from the shock.
That depends on the governments we elect they will ultimately have full sovereignty and full control over what we do, once we leave the UK they are fully accountable for how our country is governed.
Trade with the EU won't stop and we will now be free to trade with the rest of the world as and when we see fit.
In what way does the current government not have “full sovereignty� Sounds like you disagree with the government itself:
How is the government not already fully accountable for what it does? Can you give us an example of the progressive policies that would have been implemented if not for that damn EU?
(08-02-2018, 09:04 AM)Mags Wrote: A resposta é Sim.
Lots of food retailers are fucked now as they have tailored products for the USA. Things like cheese and stuff that take 12-18mth planning are up in the air as there's a chance the deals won't be in place thanks to our bumbling Gov. Sure I read the food and drink sector is now at a £35b deficit with all the uncertainty. Shambles.
(10-11-2017, 12:14 PM)Aceymandias Wrote: In what way does the current government not have “full sovereignty� Sounds like you disagree with the government itself:
How is the government not already fully accountable for what it does? Can you give us an example of the progressive policies that would have been implemented if not for that damn EU?
Regardless of what the government has said, the EU has a direct impact on UK law. Whilst the UK government does not have full control over policy and law it cannot be described as sovereign.
A Labour politician was asked the other week why labour wouldn't scrap HS2 and plough the money into social housing, she responded that it's not money that's the main obstacle to building council housing it's EU planning regulations.
(10-11-2017, 12:09 PM)Bill Cosby Wrote: That depends on the governments we elect they will ultimately have full sovereignty and full control over what we do, once we leave the UK they are fully accountable for how our country is governed.
Trade with the EU won't stop and we will now be free to trade with the rest of the world as and when we see fit.
“As and when we see fitâ€
This is meaningless. We are already able to trade with the rest of the world, but being able to get a trade deal with New Zealand on other side of the world, will not make up for the lost trade/economic shock of Brexit.
(10-11-2017, 12:32 PM)Bill Cosby Wrote: Regardless of what the government has said
Quote:A Labour politician was asked the other week why labour wouldn't scrap HS2 and plough the money into social housing, she responded that it's not money that's the main obstacle to building council housing it's EU planning regulations.
State aid laws rul
Which Labour politician was this? I can't find any relevant articles/quotes.
(08-02-2018, 09:04 AM)Mags Wrote: A resposta é Sim.