https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/101...19137?s=09

This party man

Punished for being pregnant

Disgrace.

That is genuinely outrageous outrageous that our MPs have to rely on a daft informal “pairing” protocol in the first place, and even more outrageous that it would be abused like that. Too sick of this shit to make the usual sarky taking back sovereignty/democracy remarks.

Re. Labour mentalists - no surprise if you've been following Brexit proceedings in parliament. Field and Hoey have voted with the government pretty much every step of the way.

2018

You could vote from anywhere in the world with a click of a button. The whole thing is fucked.

It's okay - they honoured the Labour pairings and it wouldn't have made a difference anyway.

Who in their right mind votes for this shameful party, lead by a spineless disgrace of a leader!? Madness.

Hoey is an awful, awful person. Her politics are worse.

(07-17-2018, 11:16 AM)Morph Wrote: If you think the last one was riddled with anti English sentiment wait until the next one Because just now I feel everyone is just getting angrier and angrier.

FWIW I don't think the last one was necessarily driven by English hatred but the next one will be.

(07-17-2018, 12:39 PM)Pharaoh Ramaceys II Wrote: Tbf there's never been a more reasonable time to be anti-English in the modern era than right now.

Nice to see some honesty at last. Remarkable how fast anti-Westminster turns into anti-English - despite Westminster not giving a shit about most people in England either.

(07-17-2018, 11:26 AM)Pete seeger Wrote: Mags, my good chum Mikey and a customer of mine are the only Englishmen I actually like.

Indy ref 2, a wall and a hard border please.  

(07-17-2018, 01:10 PM)Morph Wrote: You need to remember though that you fit in at a certain section of society, you are a good earner, you're middle class and have a reputable job. There's a lot of folk in the circles I am in who maybe aren't so fortunate to have all those things and just feel completely unsupported by Westminster.

I slightly despair of this. Do you think working class people in England feel supported by Westminster and this government? Do you think middle class people in England feel supported by Westminster and this government? Did you somehow miss that not only London, but every major English city, voted Remain? Did you also miss that most of those who voted Leave were pensioners or the unemployed?

(07-17-2018, 02:42 PM)Charlie Kelly Wrote: Tories have pretty consistently treated Scotland with disdain for years, don't think it's any surprise that the longer they're in power the more support for indy will rise.

Can't see why anyone from this country could vote for them tbh

1. Yet support for indy isn't rising

2. What happened to the Tory vote in Scotland last year? It went up. With Labour relegated to 3rd. Is this mythologising just going to continue regardless?



Thanks Scotland. Thanks very much.

(07-17-2018, 02:53 PM)theMaganator5.0 Wrote: You're conflating the SNP with Scotland which is exactly what the SNP want you to do. They want you to feel that when they are attacked Scotland is being attacked – that is not the case. 37% of people voted for the SNP at the last general election - they are not Scotland's party.

But this? This is weak.

37% of those voting in 2015 voted Tory. This resulted in a Tory overall majority for your pal Big Davey C. Which party represents Scotland's interests? You're having a laugh if you think any of the Tories, Labour or Lib Dem do.

Labour and the Tories are only interested in Scotland as an instrument to benefit them. The SNP wants to benefit Scotland. That's the difference. And if we contrast 8 years of a Tory government (propped up for 5 years by the Joke Party) in the UK with 11 years of an SNP government in Scotland, there isn't much doubt which one's done more, which one's been more competent, which one's been more inclusive and for the common good.

And no amount of "but the education statistics" or "but they bribe the middle class with freebies" or "but Scotland's shame" will ever change that, Mags.

You just cut off half my paragraph saying why I don't feel supported by the government, mostly because of the way the way Scotland and the SNP are viewed.

I'm not suggesting the entirety of England feel like the tories are a great party but I was talking about myself so not really sure what that has to do with it.

It all comes down to FPTP again really.

(07-18-2018, 04:08 AM)shaun.lawson Wrote: Did you somehow miss that not only London, but every major English city, voted Remain?

Birmingham's quite major.

(07-18-2018, 07:32 AM)Narcolepsy Wrote: It all comes down to FPTP again really.

Agreed - don't think it is a good system at all.

Though I'm getting involved in this discussion I am giving legitimacy to Shaun's response to me which willfully missed the point and the argument being had.

(07-18-2018, 06:46 AM)Morph Wrote: You just cut off half my paragraph saying why I don't feel supported by the government, mostly because of the way the way Scotland and the SNP are viewed.

I'm not suggesting the entirety of England feel like the tories are a great party but I was talking about myself so not really sure what that has to do with it.

Yes you were. But you were playing to a narrative of victimhood. I'm not saying for a moment that you don't have it hard. But I do see on here, again and again, this idea that only Scotland is treated like this. It's not.

The entire British system is not fit for purpose. In many ways, that's what led to both independence gaining in support and to Brexit. Both involve throwing out the status quo and giving it a good kicking. Both highlight how alienated so so many feel. The British system hardly works for anyone except the richest. It's just that Brexit has somehow made it even worse.

(07-18-2018, 07:32 AM)Narcolepsy Wrote: It all comes down to FPTP again really.

It does.

(07-18-2018, 07:52 AM)Array Wrote: Birmingham's quite major.

True - though 50.4-49.6 isn't exactly much of a mandate, nor a sign that it's all the fault of the bastard English either. The turnout in Scotland was only 67%. That remains disappointing, and a sign that nowhere near enough Scots were even that interested.

Labour finally ahead of the tories in polling

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status...6557384704

(07-18-2018, 08:13 AM)shaun.lawson Wrote: True - though 50.4-49.6 isn't exactly much of a mandate, nor a sign that it's all the fault of the bastard English either. The turnout in Scotland was only 67%. That remains disappointing, and a sign that nowhere near enough Scots were even that interested.

Give there was no brexit appetite up here, I genuinely think that many thought that Remain was a fait accompli and so didn't bother voting. That anti-EU feeling you get in some parts of england isn't that prevalent up here outside of the odd pub or golf club bore.

(07-18-2018, 08:16 AM)theMaganator5.0 Wrote: Labour finally ahead of the tories in polling

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status...6557384704

If Corbyn wasn't so divisive at times, and Labour had a stronger leader such as John Smith or even Tony Blair, they'd be miles ahead and would have May on the ropes over the shambles she's currently presiding over.

This country is crying out for change and a strong opposition, shame it's not happening.

https://twitter.com/markdiffley1/status/...8619363330

33% leave with no deal.

(07-18-2018, 08:34 AM)Narcolepsy Wrote: Give there was no brexit appetite up here, I genuinely think that many thought that Remain was a fait accompli and so didn't bother voting. That anti-EU feeling you get in some parts of england isn't that prevalent up here outside of the odd pub or golf club bore.

Totally agree with this, lots of people I know didn't bother voting as they thought it was a done deal and have regretted it ever since.

I'm still pissed off at Cameron shitting the bed from Farage and his band of little Englanders and calling the whole referendum in the first place.

We were off on a stag and I left catching the flight till last minute so I could vote at 7am, but none of the other guys voted as they were on way to airport and though it would be a shoe in. They were all shocked at the result, sitting in a 24 hour kebab shop in berlin, ordering efes and having a big political debate till 6am. The german newspapers that morning. :

(07-18-2018, 08:38 AM)Floyd Wrote: Totally agree with this, lots of people I know didn't bother voting as they thought it was a done deal and have regretted it ever since.

I'm still pissed off at Cameron shitting the bed from Farage and his band of little Englanders and calling the whole referendum in the first place.

Complete and utter dickheads. How fucking hard is it to vote?

(07-18-2018, 08:38 AM)Floyd Wrote: Totally agree with this, lots of people I know didn't bother voting as they thought it was a done deal and have regretted it ever since.

You would have needed almost the rest of those in Scotland, who didnt vote, to vote Remain to tip it in Remain's favour.

While Scotland is quite clearly pro-EU, there's more than the pub/golf club bore who are against it. There's a fair bit resentment in fishing and farming communities, despite those areas actually doing better than they think from the EU and the subsidies they receive as a result.