Talk Hearts Daily News Thread

[2MatoFish]

Notwithstanding what I said earlier about the public being relatively tech-savvy, what you've said means nothing to me, but it all sounds quite reassuring.

Imagine I want to send you something. I put it in a box, lock it and mail it to you. I can't send the key in the post as that's none too safe. So I just put a lock on it, and send it to you. When you receive it, you put your lock on it and send it back to me. I then take my lock off and send it back to you. You now have the box with the information and you can unlock it with your key.

At no point is the information accessible to anyone once i've put a lock on it. That's end to end encryption (i think. I'm remember all this off an episode of No Such Thing As A Fish). Prime numbers are the building blocks of all other numbers, they're essentially the elements of maths so are used as the keys in my analogy.

There's no backdoor entry to end to end encryption that doesn't let others in too. The troubling thing is that very few people in the media are pointing that Rudd doesn't have a fucking clue.

[Dexter]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-n...nesia-bike

(better video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ5OytJaykw)

[Bill Cosby]

The govt are making a fresh bid to crack through social media to get access to our private conversations. The justification this time is that the westminster attacker sent a whatsapp messsage minutes before the attack took place. Amber Rudd currently on the tele complaining about encryption. Her internet banking will look remarkably different if she gets her way.

Which is to ignore the central point, which is that terrorists exist in all walks of life, not just online. It's a simple answer to a difficult question, in the same way as blaming video nasties or porn or rock'n'roll was.

The real issue - with encryption anyway - is that it's just maths. So long as there are prime numbers then we'll be encrypting information to send it online. There's no way of creating a backdoor without compromising everything. Moreoever, simply banning maths isn't going to stop terrorists from using it. They've shown remarkable sang froid when met with the troubling task of blowing themselves up, I doubt using the numbers 2, 3, 5,7, 11, 13 et al will cause them too many sleepless nights.

Whilst you're right that our democracy can only ever play catch up nowadays, this isn't something that's going to be legislated and is just an easy solution to give politicians something to say so that idiots think they're trying.

I'm unsure of what your point is? End to end encryption makes it near enough impossible for the intelligence services to comply with court orders, confiscating someone's device kind of gives the game away in terms of surveilience.

Unlike TSL utilised in the likes of the main telco carriers SIP offerings which tend to be server side encrypted and therefore can be compliant with the law.

Therefore end to end encryption is actually a threat to democracy and policing by consent.

[Big Physical Acey]

Imagine I want to send you something...

Sounds like a good analogy. :quitegood. Have an unencrypted pozzy.

[2MatoFish]

I'm unsure of what your point is? End to end encryption makes it near enough impossible for the intelligence services to comply with court orders, confiscating someone's device kind of gives the game away in terms of surveilience.

Unlike TSL utilised in the likes of the main telco carriers SIP offerings which tend to be server side encrypted and therefore can be compliant with the law.

Therefore end to end encryption is actually a threat to democracy and policing by consent.

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick if you think being able to withhold information from the state is a threat to democracy. It's fundamental to democracy.

[Bill Cosby]

This seems to be another subject in which you want appear to know what you are speaking about whilst falling short of actually knowing what you are talking about.

Interceptions warrants come in two forms, section 8.1 & 8.4. Agencies must show just cause and have sign of from a Secretary of State, an elected official, in order to be granted either warrant. 

This is the process that has been legislated and amended by our democratically elected government. If security agencies cannot gather electronic information that they are legally entitled to do so then there is clearly an issue.

[2MatoFish]

This seems to be another subject in which you want appear to know what you are speaking about whilst falling short of actually knowing what you are talking about.

Interceptions warrants come in two forms, section 8.1 & 8.4. Agencies must show just cause and have sign of from a Secretary of State, an elected official, in order to be granted either warrant. 

This is the process that has been legislated and amended by our democratically elected government. If security agencies cannot gather electronic information that they are legally entitled to do so then there is clearly an issue.

"Because it's the law therefore the law is right"

You may have knowledge of the process, but you lack the fundamentals of how to construct an argument.

Moreover, just because something possibly contradicts the law of the land doesn't make it a "threat to democracy", any more than littering is a threat to democracy. What is contained in private messages could be a threat to democracy, but the fact that there are private messages is not itself a threat.

[Bill Cosby]

I'd much rather have the knowledge than throwing flowery bullshit around dressed up as fact.

The police and security services must have the tools in order to enforce the laws legislated by our democratically elected governments otherwise it renders the whole social contract useless.

If you don't like the law you shouldn't break it, you should campaign and vote for parliamentary candidates that share your view point and will try and pass legislation to reflect your stance. Otherwise we have anarchy.

[2MatoFish]

Political theory is something about which you clearly know very little but are keen to espouse. Gandhi was an anarchist apparently.

Telling people not to rebel against laws they disagree with - now there's a real threat to democracy.

[Bill Cosby]

since your lowering to that level, by your own reasoning paedophiles should continue to rape kids...

Your stance leads to a very slippery slope.

[Big Physical Acey]

since your lowering to that level, by your own reasoning paedophiles should continue to rape kids...

Your stance leads to a very slippery slope.

[2MatoFish]

since your lowering to that level, by your own reasoning paedophiles should continue to rape kids...

Your stance leads to a very slippery slope.

It does not mean that, no.

A slippery slope argument is just another fallacy. Logic, another thing you know little about etc etc.

[CritchSmile]

Political theory is something about which you clearly know very little but are keen to espouse. Gandhi was an anarchist apparently.

Telling people not to rebel against laws they disagree with - now there's a real threat to democracy.

since your lowering to that level, by your own reasoning paedophiles should continue to rape kids...

Your stance leads to a very slippery slope.

I've read over 2na's post and your response a few times now. Struggling to understand the logical leap being made here. Seems a bit random.

[Dexter]

I've seen Mission Impossible, I know they can read my messages without any permission.

[2MatoFish]

For clarity, I am a paedo enabler.

[CritchSmile]

I am a paedo enabler.

:begbie:

[Bill Cosby]

If you don't like the law you shouldn't break it, you should campaign and vote for parliamentary candidates that share your view point and will try and pass legislation to reflect your stance. Otherwise we have anarchy.

Telling people not to rebel against laws they disagree with - now there's a real threat to democracy.

since your lowering to that level, by your own reasoning paedophiles should continue to rape kids...

Your stance leads to a very slippery slope.

Perhaps I'm guilty of hyperbole, however the underlying point is valid.

[2MatoFish]

Paedophile aren't rebelling against the law. They don't fuck kids to try and change the system. It's not rape as protest.

[PHOODLE-OUt]

In other news, The Scotsman/Evening news site/twitter etc are unbearable now. I know they have been in rapid decline for years and the only reason I pay them any attention is for local news and Hearts stuff but fuck me, they just clutter your timeline with the same clickbait articles 100 times an hour now. Unbearable

Will set up an acc that isn't blocked from the EEN sport twitter and just follow that I think. Shame as there are still some decent local news stories on there.

[Bill Cosby]

Paedophile aren't rebelling against the law. They don't fuck kids to try and change the system. It's not rape as protest.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...anizations