'Wings Over TalkHearts' Politics Thread

[shaun.lawson]

The British public are cretins who vote for lies on buses, but one thing they don't like is being openly treated with contempt like this. It's no wonder this nonsense has led to the arse out of the polls collapsing for her. She doesn't deserve to win and if there's any justice, she won't (she 99% certainly will). It's a sad state of affairs when the prospect of Diane Abbott in one of the four Great Offices is the palatable choice

Well, here's a theory. Last year, younger voters at least turned out in greater numbers than in 2015: turnout among 18-24y/o was 63%. But the old turned out in extraordinary, unparalleled numbers: rather paralleling what happened in Scotland in 2014.

Famously, as the results were coming in, google searches for "what is the EU?" and associated items shot up: surely coming from a lot of people who hadn't bothered to vote. And the young, meanwhile, were enraged, suddenly engaged, and for want of a better phrase, woke.

Now we have a Labour leader whose greatest asset is mobilising young voters. I can't see how turnout in that age group will hit the 80s; but somewhere in the 60s or even 70s is achievable. Does the old turn out in the same force as last year? No - because:

1. Huge numbers of people are mightily pissed off at there being yet another election

2. This isn't a referendum; it's not such a big deal as that

3. The dementia tax may result in at least some staying at home, others going Labour

4. May's conduct throughout the campaign. Which is insulting everyone's (limited, in many cases) intelligence.

If the Tories still win a huge majority despite all this, it's a comment on the voting system. Not on the actual state of things. And if Labour lose, the anger young people and those in their 30s and early 40s will grow and before long, reach critical mass. May hasn't just had a horrific campaign; she's set the Tories back years.

[Big Physical Acey]

Ruth getting roasted on BBC Scotland

Didn't hear it. Tell me more.

[Charlie Kelly]

The first 10 minutes were basically the audience and Glenn Campbell having digs at her over Theresa May being a shitebag and Brexit, mellowed out a bit and then they ended on the rape clause, she was very uncomfortable

[Big Physical Acey]

Terrific.

I'm sure my pal Wings will do a suitably erudite write-up too.

[Jeff Resnick]

Terrific.

I'm sure my pal Mags will do a suitable woods too.

FTFY

[shaun.lawson]

I'm not sure if I've ever seen a worse full-length political interview than this. Car crash doesn't even begin to cover it.

[Mr A]

https://thetab.com/uk/2017/06/01/jeremy-...aign=viral

Red Jez saying he'll write off historic debt

Won't affect those in Scotland who were promised the same by the SNP but then cheated out of it but a good deal for the English

[2MatoFish]

It's being reported that the UK has declined to sign on to the joint French, German and Italian statement on the Americans leaving the Paris Agreement.

[Pete Seeger]

Cosying into America over Europe

[2MatoFish]

Never mind a strong and stable leader, she's not even a leader.

[Walter Sobchak]

https://twitter.com/george_osborne/statu...8595127298

[Rogers Mako]

Mind when Osbourne took over at the Evening Standard and we all assumed he'd be horrendously biased to the Tories No-one reckoned with his sheer personal spite.

[Sarkozabal]

Mind when Osbourne took over at the Evening Standard and we all assumed he'd be horrendously biased to the Tories No-one reckoned with his sheer personal spite.

As well as this part, most people (including myself) were really sceptical about his ability to actually edit a newspaper.

The Standard has been brilliant since he took over (and harsher on May than pretty much any other paper)



Inb4 AP yes I live in London lol.

[shaun.lawson]

As well as this part, most people (including myself) were really sceptical about his ability to actually edit a newspaper.

The Standard has been brilliant since he took over (and harsher on May than pretty much any other paper)



Inb4 AP yes I live in London lol.

It's been harsher on her than the Guardian. Will surely be recruiting star columnist Polly Toynbee at any moment...

[Walter Sobchak]

I know who I would rather have negotiating on Brexit. http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stor...-1-5043470

[Cheeky Gnando’s]

Red Ed is on top form during this campaign

.@WestEndJCP Can I report someone who has failed to attend two job interviews in 48 hours. I know where she lives. What is the sanction?

[PHOODLE-OUt]

Milaband is an absolute gent on twitter these days

[shaun.lawson]

Milaband is an absolute gent on twitter these days

It is the most shocking advert for what the political system does to good, impressive people. Where was this Ed two years ago? Subsumed by idiotic advisors not allowing him to be himself.

But it even applies to Corbyn. At PMQs, and when dealing with an admittedly hostile media and Parliamentary Party, he's been about as charismatic as a politburo apparatchik droning on about tractors. Liberated from the straitjacket, look what's happened.

All of which, I think, is an argument against party politics itself. Fear of appearing off-message and gotcha politics which is what ties politicians of all hues up in knots.

[Walter Sobchak]

More of an argument against FPTP than party politics imo.

[Walter Sobchak]

^
Are we ever going to have a proper debate about FPTP in this country?