Talk Hearts Daily News Thread

[Charlie Kelly]

Stripping citizenships is pretty abhorrent tbh, already said but it's purely done to appease the right wing mob.

[Zizou]

Cant even pretend to care that this is wrong tbh

[Mikey]

Cant even pretend to care that this is wrong tbh  

Feel like that about just about everything on the news these days

Deid from the neck up.

[Shuto Makino]

A sentiment of being discriminated against, especially when that discrimination is based on disrespect for the rule of law, has been demonstrated by UN research to be a contributing factor to jihadi radicalisation. Recruiters will actively be able to use the line that 'you aren't ever going to be treated as though you really belong, your citizenship is dependent on good behaviour' to recruit the next generation of jihadis.

I don't have any particular sympathy for Shamima Begum as an individual, and in general strongly disagree with the idea that jihadis are 'brainwashed' (although given her age, you could make a strong argument she was groomed). My main issue with this is that it creates a two-tier citizenship system, in which people racialised as Muslim are treated as at best conditonally British - even from a pragmatic point of view, that's likely to contribute to further radicalisation in future (not touching Herzog's implication that the families of jihadis are collectively guilty with a bargepole, sorry).

(There is a counter-argument here: Jack Letts. But I'd argue he's the exception that proves the rule, given that we all know what populations are associated with terrorism in the popular imagination)

[Herzog]

A sentiment of being discriminated against, especially when that discrimination is based on disrespect for the rule of law, has been demonstrated by UN research to be a contributing factor to jihadi radicalisation. Recruiters will actively be able to use the line that 'you aren't ever going to be treated as though you really belong, your citizenship is dependent on good behaviour' to recruit the next generation of jihadis.

I don't have any particular sympathy for Shamima Begum as an individual, and in general strongly disagree with the idea that jihadis are 'brainwashed' (although given her age, you could make a strong argument she was groomed). My main issue with this is that it creates a two-tier citizenship system, in which people racialised as Muslim are treated as at best conditonally British - even from a pragmatic point of view, that's likely to contribute to further radicalisation in future (not touching Herzog's implication that the families of jihadis are collectively guilty with a bargepole, sorry).

(There is a counter-argument here: Jack Letts. But I'd argue he's the exception that proves the rule, given that we all know what populations are associated with terrorism in the popular imagination)

Whoa whoa whoa. Thats English for stop a horse.

I simply meant that it may help their family do more to persuade them to stop going if the possibilty they would in all likeliness be able to see them again.

If they come back, mission done, serve some time they in all possibilty be inspiring more Muslims to do the same.

If it helps deter some people doing this then good. Shes a martyr of sorts in that she is saving other young peoples lives and horrible pain for their families.

[Shuto Makino]

Whoa whoa whoa. Thats English for stop a horse.

I simply meant that it may help their family do more to persuade them to stop going if the possibilty they would in all likeliness be able to see them again.

...which implies that they know their plans and aren't trying to stop them. i.e., collectively guilty. Maybe it's not what you mean to say, but you're implying that as things stand Muslim families are just sound with their kids fucking off to die in Syria. Why else would that be the case unless they at least partly agreed with the ideas?

If it helps deter some people doing this then good. Shes a martyr of sorts in that she is saving other young peoples lives and horrible pain for their families

A martyr is exactly how recruiters will describe her to other people to persuade them that the West hates Muslims. This is literally the stuff ISIS feed from - they've spoken about it in their own publications.

It's actually not wrong that her being back in the UK and in jail presents a risk of her radicalising more people, but she'll do more as a symbol than she could ever do as an individual. I don't want to be a dick about this, but there's been extensive, massively funded research into radicalisation in Europe since 2004, and what you're suggesting here just isn't how it works.

[Herzog]

I will get back to this. Ive had a long day with the bairn. But im absolutely not coming from the collective guilt angle at all.

I just want to have a couple of wines the now and chill.

[Shuto Makino]

I also can't be arsed at this time of night, so that's a relied tbh Enjoy

[Herzog]

10000 people have signed a petition in only a couple days that Sandra Lean started about Luke Mitchell.

https://www.change.org/p/the-lord-advoca...715fb00ed4

[Del-icious]

10,000 idiots

[Floyd]

10,000 idiots

[Shteve]

Let this potentially innocent man rot in jail!

[Herzog]

[Charlie Kelly]

If ever there was a need for any more evidence that the majority of people in this country are idiots...

[Shteve]

If ever there was a need for any more evidence that the majority of people in this country are idiots...

...make a strong case for him being guilty then.

[Billy Butcher]

10,000 idiots

Let this potentially innocent man rot in jail!

Checks out.

[Del-icious]

Checks out.

[Shteve]

Aye we can do that whole thing and it will be a laugh but why not say why people shouldn't think he might not be guilty or why he should be in jail

[Cheeky Gnando’s]

Aye we can do that whole thing and it will be a laugh but why not say why people shouldn't think he might not be guilty or why he should be in jail

Someone should have done that at the time he was arrested. In a court or the likes

[Shteve]

Someone should have done that at the time he was arrested. In a court or the likes

Aye but I'm just wondering why folk are so adamant it shouldn't be looked in to without saying anything else it's just weird. Must just have a lot of faith in the justice system I suppose.