General Hearts Related Pish

[Zizou]

There aren't people still trying to claim Cathro was anything other than an imposter?

If he had this, if he had that. Aye if he had went to Real Madrid and signed Messi he might have done OK. He got as good a gig as any new manager could ever hope for, got as good backing as any manager would realistically receive, had the chance to bring in multiple players, paid the highest fee we've paid in a decade. He was just absolutely hopeless at management. That's it.

[Herman Boyce]

Folk incapable of reading things like “he was a terrible appointment who did an even worse job”?

Aye he was shite, as I've said, but it wasn't an easy job for him to come into, despite what Scott's trying to claim. Cathro should take flak for taking the gig if he thought it was above him, but I guess he thought the time was right for him.

Scott's right that we were nowhere near 2nd in real terms when he took over. He got a squad of players who barely knew each other from the transfer debacle of the summer, lost Funk and Souttar to injury and Djoum to the AFCON and got Walker and Nicholson when their heads were gone.

He then brought in a whole load of new faces from abroad, which I think the club played a big part in and then when things didn't click had Walker being a wee cunt and spouting off to the press about his teammates while at the same time selling the jerseys in half the games he played.

He was shite. He was an awful appointment. But let's not pretend it was an easy gig for him. Easier than Allardyce taking over at Everton? Shut up Scott FFS.


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[Snake Plissken]

It was a brave and imaginative appointment that didn't work out.

He had the backing and an ideal start to the season to get things working but failed utterly. Under Cathro relegation would have been a very real prospect this season.

[Herman Boyce]

Agreed Snake, but the backing of the club means fuck all to me really, because they've been roundly criticised for how the club has worked by the majority of people on here and still are.


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[rojo]

That article just confirms how stubborn he is.

He'll never make it or do anything as significant as Hearts again because he believes in his methods and that's it.

I bet as a toddler he never gave up trying to stick square pegs into round holes. He believed in it, just needed the time for it to happen.

[Timothy Dugshite]

The most excited people had been since Burley was appointed, if I recall.

[CritchSmile]

Folk incapable of reading things like “he was a terrible appointment who did an even worse job”?

Aye he was shite, as I've said, but it wasn't an easy job for him to come into, despite what Scott's trying to claim. Cathro should take flak for taking the gig if he thought it was above him, but I guess he thought the time was right for him.

Scott's right that we were nowhere near 2nd in real terms when he took over. He got a squad of players who barely knew each other from the transfer debacle of the summer, lost Funk and Souttar to injury and Djoum to the AFCON and got Walker and Nicholson when their heads were gone.

He then brought in a whole load of new faces from abroad, which I think the club played a big part in and then when things didn't click had Walker being a wee cunt and spouting off to the press about his teammates while at the same time selling the jerseys in half the games he played.

He was shite. He was an awful appointment. But let's not pretend it was an easy gig for him. Easier than Allardyce taking over at Everton? Shut up Scott FFS.


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It was a hard gig for him in the same way managing Hearts would be a hard gig for me. i.e. I'd be an imposter, just like Cathro.

[CritchSmile]

He had the backing and an ideal start to the season to get things working but failed utterly.

That's all that needs to be said.

[Herman Boyce]

It was a hard gig for him in the same way managing Hearts would be a hard gig for me. i.e. I'd be an imposter, just like Cathro.

Explain to me how it was an easier job for him to take than Allardyce taking over at Everton was please?

[Johnny]

The failing New York times

[Shteve]

I had him sussed before we played a game, the shite he was talking before a ball was kicked was very telling. He had no idea what he was going in to.

[CritchSmile]

Explain to me how it was an easier job for him to take than Allardyce taking over at Everton was please?

Sure. Hearts were 2nd in one of the diddiest, uncompetitive leagues in Europe, Everton were 17th in the most competitive league in the world.

[Herzog]

I had him sussed before we played a game, the shite he was talking before a ball was kicked was very telling. He had no idea what he was going in to.

[Herman Boyce]

Sure. Hearts were 2nd in one of the diddiest, uncompetitive leagues in Europe, Everton were 17th in the most competitive league in the world.

Hearts were 2nd, higher than we deserved to be or should've been, by your own admission. So Sterling is right, Cathro could only really go one way. Allardyce on the other hand, was the complete opposite.

He also came in with a huge amount of experience of that league and specifically, a team in Everton's position in that league. Cathro was in his first job.

Allardyce inherited a squad looking at themselves knowing they were better than their position and under no illusions that they needed to work to get out of it. Cathro took over with our players probably wondering why the fans were rightly upset with things, despite us being 2nd.

Everton had added to a settled squad over the summer, albeit having lost Lukaku. They had big club men in the side like Jagielka and Baines who had a connection with the fans and were leaders in the dressing room and on the pitch. And they added quality players to that and Rooney, another leader, who has scored as many as Lukaku had at this point last season.

We had replaced half the squad in the summer and were a shambles, without any sort of personality in the side or anyone to look to when things were going wrong. The team had zero identity and no way of playing that they understood from the previous manager that could be built on. We lost at the time our three best players to injury or international duty and two of our other supposed big players couldn't have been less interested at the time.

Absolutely no danger he had it easier.

[CritchSmile]

You're really obsessed with this Everton thing.

Hearts were stable, albeit boring, Everton were a shambles and in freefall. Difference is Cathro couldn't run a bath and Allardyce knows his onions. Maybe you could ask Big Sam whether he thinks he'd find managing Hearts post Neilson or Everton post Koeman easier?

Steve Clarke and Brendan Rogers have shown that taking a job in the SPFL is the equivalent of managing your local pub team for quality managers.

Cathro couldn't cut it as the main man in our pub league.

[Herman Boyce]

Makes a point then gets upset when people discuss it


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[CritchSmile]

Not upset, Bert. I've just answered you in my previous post?

[Herman Boyce]

You keep citing managers who've worked at the top level in what you call the most competitive league in the world as if that somehow strengthens your argument?

That's partly what made Cathro's appointment more difficult and in hindsight why he should never have been appointed.

I'm not saying he did a good job. He was shite. But we weren't stable when he took over. We haven't been stable since the Championship.

[CritchSmile]

You keep citing managers who've worked at the top level in what you call the most competitive league in the world as if that somehow strengthens your argument?

That's partly what made Cathro's appointment more difficult and in hindsight why he should never have been appointed.

I'm not saying he did a good job. He was shite. But we weren't stable when he took over. We haven't been stable since the Championship.

Cathro's appointment was made more difficult because of managers who have worked at the top level in the EPL? I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

[Groot]

I agree with Scott, the pressure going into the Hearts job is incomparable to what would be going into Everton

At Hearts most were willing to give him a chance he had plenty of support and people had by and large accepted it was probably going to be a season of transition whereas at Everton everyone is expecting them to be in a far better position than they are and if there's no improvement then he'll be gone at a moments notice