'Wings Over TalkHearts' Politics Thread

[PHOODLE-OUt]

Shaun's been to South America everyone

[shaun.lawson]

Shaun's been to South America everyone

Anyone defending the absolute human catastrophe that is Venezuela - even for a moment, even if it's in jest - needs their head read. And that the likes of Corbyn, Seumas Milne, Owen Jones et al continue to bury their heads in the sand about it is offensive. Plain and simple.

[PHOODLE-OUt]

Not Corbyn's fault a drug cartel took control a couple of years ago

[shaun.lawson]

Not Corbyn's fault a drug cartel took control a couple of years ago

Nothing to do with drug cartels. Everything to do with oligarchies, government-sponsored militias, opposition leaders being imprisoned, opposition supporters being murdered, and no food on the shelves in this "socialist utopia".

[PHOODLE-OUt]

Can't say I followed Chavez' utopia at all tbh. All I remember is that poverty was down to record levels and him and his mates got a bit greedy on the skimming. I'll bow out of this because I'm not going to bother my arse going away and reading anything about it. love island is on

[shaun.lawson]

4 Labour frontbenchers who voted for Chuka Umunna's amendment to keep Britain in the single market sacked. Labour's own serious divisions on Brexit immediately apparent; a breakaway centre party with who knows what consequences moves a step closer.

[King WillDred of Orange]

If you look closely lads you can actually see the exact point where Shaun is between the flip and the flop

[Edson Arantes 2Nascimento]

The answer to the above two posts is tony blair

[shaun.lawson]

If you look closely lads you can actually see the exact point where Shaun is between the flip and the flop

For the record: should a centre party break away, my hope is it peels votes away from the Tories. My fear is it peels votes away from Labour just as the SDP did.

[PHOODLE-OUt]

If we've learned anything recently, it's that there is no appetite for a centrist party.

[Papin]

I am not even sure where the centre is anymore.

[Zizou]

If we've learned anything recently, it's that there is no appetite for a centrist party.

New Labour is dead Shaun. Let it go.

[shaun.lawson]

New Labour is dead Shaun. Let it go.

I don't want New Labour to be resurrected any more than you do. I do note with interest, however, that almost unanimously on here, we all wanted Remain; now it's mass heads in sand time as the consequences of Labour not advocating Remain start to play themselves out.

There remains a massive swathe of the public whose views on the most important question to have faced Britain since the war are not being reflected. The idea that this problem will just magically go away - or not have its own political repercussions - is risible.

[PHOODLE-OUt]

Labour need to win back leave voters. There stance on this is predictable. politics is all about careful calculations and this will be what their sums come out at.

[Imaq]

Shaun's been to South America everyone

Still not convinced of this.

[PHOODLE-OUt]

Sorry, that was a typo for East Anglia

[Walter Sobchak]

The answer to the above two posts is tony blair

He's still machinating away; mandelson, Murphy et al.

[Walter Sobchak]

For the record: should a centre party break away, my hope is it peels votes away from the Tories. My fear is it peels votes away from Labour just as the SDP did.

As we see with Mags, Tory voters are more tribal than anyone.

[Scott the Dick]

Centre party? Is that no what the Lib Dems are supposed to be?

[shaun.lawson]

Centre party? Is that no what the Lib Dems are supposed to be?

Who?