'Wings Over TalkHearts' Politics Thread

[Drederick Shanktum]

There's no nuance in this for the right wing press. He doesn't do it and it's a complete mill stone.

[CritchSmile]

There's no nuance in this for the right wing press. He doesn't do it and it's a complete mill stone.

Labour's response to the right wing press saying 'jump' should definitely be to ask 'how high'. That will definitely end well.

[Drederick Shanktum]

Labour's response to the right wing press saying 'jump' should definitely be to ask 'how high'. That will definitely end well.

Not what I said but you batter on SJ

[Mikey]

Aren't Angela Rayner and her best pals? Another 4 years of Labour infighting

[CritchSmile]

Not what I said but you batter on SJ

Why are you always flying off the handle when speaking with me?

You said, he doesn't do it, it will be a millstone. Inferring that he should do it/has to do it so he doesnt carry a millstone around his neck.

I'm sorry, but that makes him a phoodle to the gutter press.

Anyway, I'm sure the real reason is to erase left wing voices from the cabinet and to send a message that discussions re: the israel palestine coflict within Labour is not permitted.

[CritchSmile]

Not what I said but you batter on SJ

Why are you always flying off the handle when speaking with me?

You said, he doesn't do it, it will be a millstone. Inferring that he should do it so he doesnt carry a millstone around his neck.

I'm sorry, but that makes you a phoodle to the gutter press.

Anyway, I don't really agree with your premise. The more likely reason is to erase left wing voices from the cabinet and to send a message that discussions re: israel/palestine issues within Labour is no longer permitted.

[Drederick Shanktum]

Flying off the handle

[CritchSmile]

Flying off the handle

So these are your contributions? "batter on SJ" and "flying off the handle - titter"

Why wouldn't you want to clarify your points if you feel they have been taken out of context in some way?

[Drederick Shanktum]

So these are your contributions? "batter on SJ" and "flying off the handle - titter"

Why wouldn't you want to clarify your points if you feel they have been taken out of context in some way?

Personally think he's in a lose lose position on this anti Semitic stuff. The least loss on it will be by being harsh on it so as to block the sort of headlines which Corbyn was a dogged by.

I'm of the mind I'd rather have a more right leaning Labour Party in charge than any Tory party.

I'm not intelligent enough to get in to it or try to counter argue so prefer not to engage with you

[Shuto Makino]

It would've been appropriate for it to be made known that she'd been internally disciplined in some way - retweeting that was unwise, and the fact is that everyone associated with Corbyn should be hyper-vigilant with anything that could be construed as anti-Semitic, even (in fact especially) by someone acting in completely bad faith.

Sacking her immediately, on the other hand, is very obviously politically motivated, and makes a mockery of the very real fight against anti-Semitism. Dred is right to some extent that the anti-Semitism stuff will always be used against Labour, but even putting to one side S.J.'s (correct) point that Labour shouldn't pander to the right-wing press, this actually weakens Starmer for the future. Now he's set a precedent, and will need to be equally ruthless any time anyone else does similar or look like a hypocrite.

Edit: with regard to that last point, he's okay for the time being, because the press won't amplify it when someone from the Labour right says something racist, but just wait until it's nearly election time.

[Big Physical Acey]

England isn't a left wing country. Starmer knows that, so has taken the earliest opportunity to bin someone who was only there as a sop to to left wing members of his party in the first place.

We've had this "socialist vs electable" discussion many times before.

[Shuto Makino]

I too think that weaponising anti-Semitism to discredit rival factions of your own party is good and clever and sure to end well.

[Big Physical Acey]

I have no interest in Labour's success, and I imagine the vast majority of Corbynites will still vote for them, thanks to FPTP.

[Shuto Makino]

Sure would be nice if someone thought about how all these discussions of anti-Semitism will impact upon Jewish people, but maybe that's just crazy talk I guess.

Assuming large sections of their own electorate had nowhere else to go certainly worked for Labour in Scotland the Red Wall, so I for one am excited to see this successful tactic applied to the left of the party!

[Big Physical Acey]

Me too.

[Zizou]

https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1...7448057860

[Shuto Makino]

Me too.

I'm all in on indy now anyway. See Starmer has also backed Scottish Labour's (remember them?) policy of opposing indy at all costs, presumably also to appeal to the Home Counties.

[CritchSmile]

Personally think he's in a lose lose position on this anti Semitic stuff. The least loss on it will be by being harsh on it so as to block the sort of headlines which Corbyn was a dogged by.

I'm of the mind I'd rather have a more right leaning Labour Party in charge than any Tory party.

I'm not intelligent enough to get in to it or try to counter argue so prefer not to engage with you

Thanks for clarifying what you meant, I appreciate it. But please spare us the “I'm just not intelligent enough” patter. everyone on here is capable of defending their assertions. I didn't want a big argument, but replying with wide comments will certainly increase the chances of that.

[Shuto Makino]

https://twitter.com/YairWallach/status/1...87749?s=20

This thread gives a decent explanation of what was anti-Semitic about the comments, btw.

[Cheeky Gnando’s]

I gave him the benefit of the doubt more than most, but this is really unnecessary and poor. We debated at the time of his election over what kind of leader he'd be and I was hopeful that he'd retain enough of the socialist agenda to provide an ideological alternative; and although we've still not seen huge amounts of what his vision is in terms of policy, some of his actions as leader have been disheartening. Mak and SJ have been proven right about him so far, which is a real shame on several levels

This one has pissed me off because it's so nakedly strategic though - she didn't need to go for retweeting that article, but it's been done because it makes him look strong on antisemitism (in a performative way), it draws a contrast for voters of the difference between him and Johnson, and it lets him get rid of a key Corbynite. Mak's post is spot on re: what an appropriate response would have been, IMO.

I can see why he's done it on an electoral level, and appreciate when it comes to the AS thing he's in ah almost impossible position (this move has been pretty polarising with way more support for it than I expected), but it's wrong nonetheless.

Just one more reason to fire up the pipes and see you jimmy hats