(08-17-2017, 05:11 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: I don't think there's a bloke sitting there with a white cat pressing buttons surrounded by sharks. But there is a strong correlation in the output and beliefs of a number of western governments and media. It's not exactly subtle. 

It's a belief. They are right - if anyone else disagrees they need to be re educated or shut down.

Look at the media. Obama = good. Trump = bad.

Based on what ? Obama was in power for two terms and is widely thought of as having done very little. Yes Trump says some nuts things - but he's really done very little - if anything - in his time in charge to get these labels of done rabid racist Nazi. There just isn't any evidence of this.

But the media and other governments can't get enough of firing into him.

I'm sure some of that is revenge due to his stance on the media in general. But on that subject I think he has a very good point.

What main stream media outlets have branded Trump a rabid nazi? Strikes me that you're the one making claims without evidence.

(08-17-2017, 05:10 PM)Nicolas Sarkozy Wrote: I didn't want to get involved, but 'the culture is Islam'?

Is the culture of Britain Christianity?

No. But much of it used to be.

You do realise what happens in many of these countries ? Almost everything revolves round religion. 

The police ? Religious.
The courts ? Religious.
The daily prayers. The calls to prayers.
Relationships. Family. Jobs. What you can eat. What you can't eat. What you can say. What you can't say. 

I'm not saying it's 100% of course. But a huge part of their culture. Far more than here today and Christianity for example.

It's more worrying that that's what you really think

(08-17-2017, 05:03 PM)Bill Cosby Wrote: I'm passed caring what colour or religion they are. It's 2017 and humans are still needlessly killing each other.

I don't think we will ever be able to eradicate it completely as killing is ingrained somewhat in human nature, at least for a tiny minority of people.

What concerns me most of all is state sponsored murder and mass terrorism carried out by western democracies. I'm not justifying the barbaric acts by these individuals, however I also accept that we have caused a great portion of the Muslim world equal amounts of needless violence and suffering.

Yep we have also been complete cunts as well. No doubt about that.

(08-17-2017, 05:19 PM)7FootPlaysTheFlute Wrote: They weren't just ordinary vandals spray painting "Acey is a fagot" on the side of a bin ffs.

He's made these people (who I think are wrong) out to be just as bad as the fucking nazis and claiming it'll be Washington statues to come down next.  No idea if he realises the confederates opposed pretty much everything America claims to stand for today, probably not.

You can choose to see things as black and white if you want though, destruction of property  Guess those British and American troops that pulled the saddam statues down were just as bad as the Nazis too

He said they were both to blame. Which they were. He didn't give them ratings. 

As for your statue point - I never said those in the us pulling down that statue were Nazis. Did I ? I think they are fucking idiots though.

(08-17-2017, 05:20 PM)2Nafferty Wrote: What main stream media outlets have branded Trump a rabid nazi? Strikes me that you're the one making claims without evidence.

The media throw out the bait and the public do the rest. I was talking about individuals in that respect. You have literally millions of people around the world attacking him and calling him all sorts. Based on what ?

There are some immense videos of people going around lots of these protests asking folk what they are protesting about and why. Many literally have no idea. They're being used. They are being whipped up. 

Someone who rocks the boat in US politics clearly isn't welcome. We need a patsy like Obama who will do what he's told.

No, but Trump made them out to be as bad as each other and both to blame for what happened.

The question was rhetorical. Obviously they weren't. Just like the people who pulled the statue down of Robert E Lee weren't as bad as the person who mowed a car into a crowd of people. Or the people that you know, carry the flags of a group of people that massacred 6 million Jews.

Destruction of property though!!!

(08-17-2017, 05:36 PM)Basil Wrote: It's more worrying that that's what you really think

What's worrying ? Spell it out. And unlike others on here actually point to things I have said and don't just make things up. I'm all ears.

(08-17-2017, 05:44 PM)7FootPlaysTheFlute Wrote: No, but Trump made them out to be as bad as each other and both to blame for what happened.

The question was rhetorical.  Obviously they weren't.  Just like the people who pulled the statue down of Robert E Lee weren't as bad as the person who mowed a car into a crowd of people.  Or the people that you know, carry the flags of a group of people that massacred 6 million Jews.

Destruction of property though!!!

They didn't pull down the statue of Robert E Lee.

You have just assumed that based on what's been in the media. Even though it's not actually true. See how incredibly easy that was. 




As for your first point. He didn't make them out as anything. He said both were to blame. Which they were. 

No antifa present = no riot.
No "alt" right present = no riot.
Neither present = no riot.
Both present = RIOT.

It's incredibly simple and what he said is completely correct. No matter what "side" - if any - you prefer. 

The bloke is being lambasted for saying something that's 100% completely factually correct. Step back and have a think about that.

(08-17-2017, 05:44 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: There are some immense videos of people going around lots of these protests asking folk what they are protesting about and why. Many literally have no idea. They're being used. They are being whipped up. 
.

By whom and to what end?

(08-17-2017, 05:44 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: Someone who rocks the boat in US politics clearly isn't welcome. We need a patsy like Obama who will do what he's told.

I think its fair to say a black man being elected Pressident rocked the boat like

(08-17-2017, 05:51 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: They didn't pull down the statue of Robert E Lee.

You have just assumed that based on what's been in the media. Even though it's not actually true. See how incredibly easy that was. 




As for your first point. He didn't make them out as anything. He said both were to blame. Which they were. 

No antifa present = no riot.
No "alt" right present = no riot.
Neither present = no riot.
Both present = RIOT.

It's incredibly simple and what he said is completely correct. No matter what "side" - if any - you prefer. 

The bloke is being lambasted for saying something that's 100% completely factually correct. Step back and have a think about that.

The SJW's really really hate facts.

Cool.

No people standing up to hitler = no WWII.

(08-17-2017, 05:51 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: They didn't pull down the statue of Robert E Lee.

You have just assumed that based on what's been in the media. Even though it's not actually true. See how incredibly easy that was. 




As for your first point. He didn't make them out as anything. He said both were to blame. Which they were. 

No antifa present = no riot.
No "alt" right present = no riot.
Neither present = no riot.
Both present = RIOT.

It's incredibly simple and what he said is completely correct. No matter what "side" - if any - you prefer. 

The bloke is being lambasted for saying something that's 100% completely factually correct. Step back and have a think about that.

The majority of the anti nazi protest was from locals.

You're right that what Trump said is simple. It's simplistic to the point of obfuscation.

If there were no Jews in Germany then the nazis wouldn't have killed any. Stupid point, eh?

PS. What media has branded Trump a rabid nazi btw?

(08-17-2017, 05:51 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: They didn't pull down the statue of Robert E Lee.

You have just assumed that based on what's been in the media. Even though it's not actually true. See how incredibly easy that was. 




As for your first point. He didn't make them out as anything. He said both were to blame. Which they were. 

No antifa present = no riot.
No "alt" right present = no riot.
Neither present = no riot.
Both present = RIOT.

It's incredibly simple and what he said is completely correct. No matter what "side" - if any - you prefer. 

The bloke is being lambasted for saying something that's 100% completely factually correct. Step back and have a think about that.

There was a story about the Robert E Lee statue being destroyed, i put 2+2 together and got 3. I've not been fucking duped by the fake news m8, i've just read 2 similar stories and put them together.

No blacks in america = no racism

He's being lambasted because he is a cretinous cunt who either actually shares or is sympathetic to the views of people like the KKK and neo nazis, or he is too scared to take a stand against them because he knows people like them make up a large portion of his votes and wants to cling to power. He might've condemned the far right protesters in his wee scripted speech written for him after the public was pissed off at him but eventually his true colours came out and he was itching to get torn into the 'anti protesters' the most. He is a scum cunt from a scum cunt family. No idea why anyone would ever want to defend him the way some on here are.

(08-17-2017, 05:52 PM)Johnny Wrote: By whom and to what end?




I think its fair to say a black man being elected Pressident rocked the boat like

Did it ? 

As to whom and to what end ? I've already answered that further up this thread.

(08-17-2017, 05:54 PM)Stanthejambo Wrote: The SJW's really really hate facts.

Facts ? Not important as long as we can scream about Nazis !!!!!

(08-17-2017, 05:54 PM)Walter Snowchak Wrote: Cool.

No people standing up to hitler = no WWII.  

We are talking here about a group of people "standing" up to a group of people who don't want a statue of a historical figure pulled down just to fit in with today's narrative. 

Your comparison is truly terrible. Try again.

(08-17-2017, 05:56 PM)2Nafferty Wrote: The majority of the anti nazi protest was from locals.

You're right that what Trump said is simple. It's simplistic to the point of obfuscation.

If there were no Jews in Germany then the nazis wouldn't have killed any. Stupid point, eh?

PS. What media has branded Trump a rabid nazi btw?

I answered your point about the media.

<<Edited second bit as I confused you with another poster. >>

(08-17-2017, 06:05 PM)7FootPlaysTheFlute Wrote:

There was a story about the Robert E Lee statue being destroyed, i put 2+2 together and got 3.  I've not been fucking duped by the fake news m8, i've just read 2 similar stories and put them together.

No blacks in america = no racism

He's being lambasted because he is a cretinous cunt who either actually shares or is sympathetic to the views of people like the KKK and neo nazis, or he is too scared to take a stand against them because he knows people like them make up a large portion of his votes and wants to cling to power.  He might've condemned the far right protesters in his wee scripted speech written for him after the public was pissed off at him but eventually his true colours came out and he was itching to get torn into the 'anti protesters' the most.  He is a scum cunt from a scum cunt family.  No idea why anyone would ever want to defend him the way some on here are.

So you put two and two together about a story the foaming mouthed media are attacking Trump on even though it's really got little to do with him ? Glad we cleared that up.