(09-17-2017, 09:25 PM)Craig Levein-Style Icon Wrote: You're thinking of Munich mate

Oh yeah

(09-17-2017, 09:48 AM)Coppercrutch Wrote: So what about these Muslims who are trying to kill you ? What do you feel about them ? That's the important question not who quoted someone wrong.

(09-17-2017, 10:25 AM)Coppercrutch Wrote: Nothing ? What do the families of those blown up in Manchester think about that comment ?

You are in denial.


Stats ? There are continual terrorist attacks in the UK in the name of Islam. 100% non arguable fact. Why do you deny this ? What's the reason ? 


Many Muslim people do want to kill you and view you as sub human. You must understand this ? There are 2-300 million of them out there are they are not shy about their opinions. You can't have missed this ?

(09-17-2017, 10:45 AM)Coppercrutch Wrote: Hundreds of millions have the belief that we are sub human as we are not Muslims. 

Now not all of them are actively sorting out a bomb to blow me up at present. But they all would have a wee fist pump if it happened.

This honestly doesn't concern you one bit ?


As above.

(09-17-2017, 11:21 AM)Coppercrutch Wrote: We are at war. Do you disagree ?


We are at war. What would you describe it as ?

(09-17-2017, 02:09 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: We are at war. France have been in a state of emergency for years now. 

It's not a "classic" war as in trenches and front lines. But it's still a war. 


What do you think I should do ?

(09-17-2017, 06:23 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: That's your exact posting style CC. Don't engage, deflect. Infuriating right?

There are no muslims trying to kill me or my family. None. Worrying that you feel that important. Genuine paranoid delusions.

(09-17-2017, 06:35 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: There are. This is where you are confused.

(09-17-2017, 06:42 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-n...we-hate-yo

Daily star but the links are true.

In an article titled, "Why we hate you and why we fight you",

(09-17-2017, 08:55 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: Do you assume all Arab looking brown men with beards are Muslims? Not a loaded question. Genuine question. Would that be your first instinct?

(09-17-2017, 09:03 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: Nope. A lot are Indians and absolutely despise Islam more than any of us could ever imagine.

There is however a certain type of beard that seems to be common with Muslim blokes. So with a person of that description yes I would assume they are a Muslim.

Here you go Mags. A biased picking of quotes of course, but the gist is there. 2-300 million Muslims are out to kill him, but every single Muslim would be delighted to see him dead. He identifies Muslims based on their race and beard type. Every brown man with a beard that CC sees is a man who he believes wants him dead. I'm inferring the fear.

It's completely disingenuous to say that there isn't a racial element to Islamophobia. As biological racism (i.e. the idea that different 'races' have different biological capacities) became discredited from the 1950s, there's been a gradual shift to the language of culture. Religion, and particularly Islam, has always been one of the 'cultural' factors used to reject brown people. Since 9/11, it's been almost the only one - to the point that you'll get accused of being an apologist if you suggest that issues like the Pakistani rape gangs in England might be better understood in cultural than religious terms.

Weirdly, the people who talk about Islam as 'a threat to our culture' are the same people who were previously talking about attacks on racial purity as a threat to our culture - and the same people are targeted. Note also that Sikhs, Hindus, and even Jews have been victims of Islamophobic abuse/attacks and that white converts to Islam have been abused in racial language.

I don't think it's always purely racist - there's a specific rejection of Muslims (as opposed to Islam) in some cases. But it has a strong racial element, and the two are often near-impossible to untangle.

I reject the whole terms of the discussion. Given the internal diversity within Islam, and differing interpretations of religious texts, any statement along the lines of 'Islam is x' is a sign of a cretin. The same is true of all other organised religions. You can, of course, have problems with religion more generally and with how prone different religions are to motivating ultra-conservative views. But saying 'religion x is y' is stupid, very rarely done in good faith, and even more rarely worth engaging with.

(09-17-2017, 09:14 PM)shaun.lawson Wrote: Despite knowing nothing about it. And hence, not even knowing the tiniest bit about "all that comes with it".

I know nothing about Islam ? Really ? That's complete nonsense and you know it. 

(09-17-2017, 09:24 PM)TheMaganator4.0 Wrote: Don't get why CC is being called a racist tbh.

He's clearly got an issue with Islam, but that's nothing to do with race.

Not sure where all this stuff about him hating/fearing 'brown people' comes from.

It's nothing to do with race as I've made clear numerous times.

It's just the usual response that don't like people who dislike Islam. 

"Racist!!"

It's pathetic and this thread is full of it.

(09-17-2017, 09:26 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: He thinks 300 million people are out to kill him. He identifies who these people are based on their ethnicity.

Nope. Based on religion. Why you making stuff up ?

(09-17-2017, 09:28 PM)TheMaganator4.0 Wrote: Has he said that?

Skimmed a lot of this but I've seen lots of Islam bashing but nothing that I'd say was an attack on brown people or any other race.

Nope - my problem is Islam not the colour of someone's skin. As above - it's just the standard response.

(09-17-2017, 09:38 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: Here you go Mags. A biased picking of quotes of course, but the gist is there. 2-300 million Muslims are out to kill him, but every single Muslim would be delighted to see him dead. He identifies Muslims based on their race and beard type. Every brown man with a beard that CC sees is a man who he believes wants him dead. I'm inferring the fear.

Religion. Not race. How many times do I have to say this ? Seriously do you have issues with reading the English language ? I'm not kidding here. You seem unable to comprehend basic language.

Every brown man I see with a beard I believe wants to kill me ?



Are you off your rocker ? 

The fact you are having to make stuff up to debate with me shows you cant make very good points.

(09-17-2017, 09:44 PM)Nabolene Bona Parte Wrote: It's completely disingenuous to say that there isn't a racial element to Islamophobia. As biological racism (i.e. the idea that different 'races' have different biological capacities) became discredited from the 1950s, there's been a gradual shift to the language of culture. Religion, and particularly Islam, has always been one of the 'cultural' factors used to reject brown people. Since 9/11, it's been almost the only one - to the point that you'll get accused of being an apologist if you suggest that issues like the Pakistani rape gangs in England might be better understood in cultural than religious terms.

Weirdly, the people who talk about Islam as 'a threat to our culture' are the same people who were previously talking about attacks on racial purity as a threat to our culture - and the same people are targeted. Note also that Sikhs, Hindus, and even Jews have been victims of Islamophobic abuse/attacks and that white converts to Islam have been abused in racial language.

I don't think it's always purely racist - there's a specific rejection of Muslims (as opposed to Islam) in some cases. But it has a strong racial element, and the two are often near-impossible to untangle.

I reject the whole terms of the discussion. Given the internal diversity within Islam, and differing interpretations of religious texts, any statement along the lines of 'Islam is x' is a sign of a cretin. The same is true of all other organised religions. You can, of course, have problems with religion more generally and with how prone different religions are to motivating ultra-conservative views. But saying 'religion x is y' is stupid, very rarely done in good faith, and even more rarely worth engaging with.

All religion is stupid. Anyone with any semblance of common sense knows this.

Authorities been rather quiet over the identity of the two arrested over the tube attack.

A few papers running stories at least one is a refugee from the middle East.

Well blow me down with a leaf !! Who would have thought. 

Islamic State specifically stated they would do this. They weren't shy about it.

Been really busy the past week so completely missed the whole tube attack.

Actually quite weird the lack of coverage it's been given but I think I prefer it. I've not been on the news sites a lot but this stuff is usually all over social media which it seems to have not been.

It seems every time one of these things happen the less a deal is made out of it, not sure if that's on purpose or because we're just becoming used to it.

You what?

The second terrorist's pus is plastered all over the media.  As are the foster parents

Are you off your rocker?

Must admit, I've barely seen anything on my social media feed about this. I assume that's because nobody died more than any new strategy from the media to not glorify terrorists.

(09-17-2017, 02:29 PM)Coppercrutch Wrote: So because I raise a point you don't like but can't really find anything tangible to disagree with I should go and blow up my face ?

Face up to the truth.

Where did I say that? I merely said you should clear landmines with your face. I didn't say you should blow up your face. That would be your fault if you did, you need to practice.

You were asking what you should do to stop this problem, I offered you the chance to play your part and do your bit. Never said you should blow your face up. I just suggested clearing landmines would be a worthy cause and to do so with your face would be beneficial to everyone.

Prove me wrong. Fact. End of. Fire away.

(09-18-2017, 07:02 AM)Morph Wrote: Been really busy the past week so completely missed the whole tube attack.

Actually quite weird the lack of coverage it's been given but I think I prefer it.  I've not been on the news sites a lot but this stuff is usually all over social media which it seems to have not been.  

It seems every time one of these things happen the less a deal is made out of it, not sure if that's on purpose or because we're just becoming used to it.

I'm not sure. Probably a bit of both ?

(09-18-2017, 07:03 AM)Dexter Wrote: You what?

The second terrorist's pus is plastered all over the media.  As are the foster parents

Are you off your rocker?

Eventually. As others are saying in this thread. Very little general coverage of it compared to other attacks. We are definitely getting rather too used to it. 

(09-18-2017, 07:48 AM)Half Time Guest Wrote: Where did I say that? I merely said you should clear landmines with your face. I didn't say you should blow up your face. That would be your fault if you did, you need to practice.

You were asking what you should do to stop this problem, I offered you the chance to play your part and do your bit. Never said you should blow your face up. I just suggested clearing landmines would be a worthy cause and to do so with your face would be beneficial to everyone.

Prove me wrong. Fact. End of. Fire away.

How would I clear landmines with my face ?

We have huge big rats already trained to do the job - and they're barry at it !! 

(09-18-2017, 07:28 AM)Charlie Kelly Wrote: Must admit, I've barely seen anything on my social media feed about this. I assume that's because nobody died more than any new strategy from the media to not glorify terrorists.

Likewise tbf, I did see on the BBC news the front of the papers running with some brown guy caught on CCTV with a Lidl bag that looked very much like the one that had the bomb in it but nothing major.

It's the main story on the BBC website.

You shouldn't wait for your news to be delivered to your social media feed.

If it's not ISIS it's not news, It doesn't add to the Gov's agenda

Think it's more because nobody died tbf, in days gone by it would have been massive news but unless you've got scores of bodies these days it isn't really a big deal.

(09-18-2017, 06:39 AM)Coppercrutch Wrote: Every brown man I see with a beard I believe wants to kill me ?



Are you off your rocker ? 

The fact you are having to make stuff up to debate with me shows you cant make very good points.

Replying to yourself. Definitely the sign of a man on his rocker.

You admitted you think all Muslims would like to see you dead. You admitted you identify who Muslims are based on sight, based on appearance, based on race. You said all of this. I didn't make it up. You said it all. You. It's all there, plain to see. Not really up for debate anymore.

Not going to get into the "you can't read" back and forth with you. I just wanted to know if you had an instinctual hatred towards brown people and you've admitted as much, so I'm satisfied with this debate and its conclusion.

(09-18-2017, 08:36 AM)Shteve Wrote: Think it's more because nobody died tbf, in days gone by it would have been massive news but unless you've got scores of bodies these days it isn't really a big deal.

Nobody died at all. So yes, as is normal, it's had less coverage. It's nothing to do with us becoming 'used' to it or any such nonsense.

Evening News reporting the Scottish Parliament building at Holyrood could be not fit for purpose by 2060. The News is a rag these days so I've not idea how accurate that is but if it turns out to be true.

Always thought Donaldson's deaf school could potentially have been used instead and would've made a far better building. It wasn't fit for purpose for years, even before it was bought by Cala in 2003. I'm sure a refurb would've cost far less than Holyrood did.


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(09-18-2017, 10:06 AM)Bert Le Bowski Wrote: Evening News reporting the Scottish Parliament building at Holyrood could be not fit for purpose by 2060. The News is a rag these days so I've not idea how accurate that is but if it turns out to be true.

Always thought Donaldson's deaf school could potentially have been used instead and would've made a far better building. It wasn't fit for purpose for years, even before it was bought by Cala in 2003. I'm sure a refurb would've cost far less than Holyrood did.


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I blame all the brown people, coming into our country and converting us to islam.  Those that won't convert are mercilessly tracked down and blown up.