The abuse the stewards were taking was a joke. All the while the police are standing in the corner watching. Fuck that.

(12-09-2018, 11:25 AM)Ray Winstone Wrote: What exactly is it you think they get paid their wage to sort out? Wading into sort out racist chanting for £6.50 an hour. I don't think so

A stern warning is about all they are permitted to do - that aside they are probably feeding information back to the control room who in turn will pass it to the police who will risk assess and make a decision - on this occasion it was arrests.

Given the level of police at games is dropping (mainly due to cost) they will carry out most action retrospectively using footage taken and reports from Stewards/staff/fans grassing etc.

They're not actually. They're allowed to eject folk and if what they've done is criminal they're allowed to detain them until the Police attend to deal with it.

You just hardly ever see them doing it.

(12-09-2018, 11:31 AM)Ray Winstone Wrote: The Stewards are not employed by Hearts but that's by the by.

The stewards primary role is safety - not wading into a situation that could get beyond their control very quickly - that would just be stupid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29807293

Includes contracts as well which I assume is G4S?

I don't expect them to wade in, but tell the police ffs. I heard someone call Morelos a half cast cunt ( ) last week. Didn't see who it was but I looked around and there were 3 stewards in the area. Fuck all was done. Are they not paid enough to tell the police someone is being a racist fuck?

(12-09-2018, 11:19 AM)Gregory Wrote: Why is this not being self policed?

I take they are hiding in a wee group. Some cunt should just dunt them in the back of the head full force

The problem with self policing is if they find out who it is these cunts could make your life a misery for the rest of the season. That shouldn't be required.

(12-09-2018, 11:33 AM)Sonny Le Bradley Wrote: They're not actually. They're allowed to eject folk and if what they've done is criminal they're allowed to detain them until the Police attend to deal with it.

You just hardly ever see them doing it.

Being allowed to do something because the legislation says so does not mean they are mandated to by the company they work for or the club that contracts that company to do the job.



IF they move to eject someone it is a conversation and if the patron walks then they will walk him out. (Pitch invasions aside) you will almost never see Stewards being hands on with supporters and that's because they are told not to.

(12-09-2018, 11:25 AM)Ray Winstone Wrote: A stern warning is about all they are permitted to do - that aside they are probably feeding information back to the control room who in turn will pass it to the police who will risk assess and make a decision - on this occasion it was arrests.

Given the level of police at games is dropping (mainly due to cost) they will carry out most action retrospectively using footage taken and reports from Stewards/staff/fans grassing etc.

(12-09-2018, 11:31 AM)Ray Winstone Wrote: The Stewards are not employed by Hearts but that's by the by.

The stewards primary role is safety - not wading into a situation that could get beyond their control very quickly - that would just be stupid.

The whole idea behind stewards isn't that they enforce anything really. It's that they maintain safety and order peacefully - and unlike police, aren't confrontational at all.

That approach has its limits, of course. But it's a lot better than the alternative.

(12-09-2018, 11:34 AM)Alan Partridge Wrote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29807293

Includes contracts as well which I assume is G4S?

I don't expect them to wade in, but tell the police ffs. I heard someone call Morelos a half cast cunt (    ) last week. Didn't see who it was but I looked around and there were 3 stewards in the area. Fuck all was done. Are they not paid enough to tell the police someone is being a racist fuck?

How can you possibly know what information they are passing on to the police. The Stewards are deployed in groups and then there are team leaders for sections - all the information flows through to the control room where there will be a g4s ops manager, a stadium/club official and the match commander also someone logs all the radio calls and information.

Take it from someone who actually knows what they are talking about Partidge it will be a police decision based on risk whether they act at the time or not. If there's racist chanting observed they Stewards will be reporting that it's happening but they are not duty bound to go and confront them.

(12-09-2018, 11:40 AM)Ray Winstone Wrote: How can you possibly know what information they are passing on to the police. The Stewards are deployed in groups and then there are team leaders for sections - all the information flows through to the control room where there will be a g4s ops manager, a stadium/club official and the match commander  also someone logs all the radio calls and information.

Take it from someone who actually knows what they are talking about Partidge it will be a police decision based on risk whether they act at the time or not. If there's racist chanting observed they Stewards will be reporting that it's happening but they are not duty bound to go and confront them.

I'm telling you what I saw with my own eyes. No steward even budged.

Maybe they noted it 20 minutes later but that would be a bit strange.

The whole idea behind stewards is that they punt folk that need to be punted before the Police get involved, because if the Police do so it's far more difficult to just chuck them out the stadium and let them go.

It more often ends up in some sort of arrest/charge/fine for the punter so it's worse for them and ties up Police resources that might be needed if something actually kicks off.

As I said though I don't blame the sort of folk employed by G4S for not getting more involved.

But Ray's right, they're not the ones who should be dealing hands on with someone needing dealt with for this sort of stuff.

(12-09-2018, 11:42 AM)Alan Partridge Wrote: I'm telling you what I saw with my own eyes. No steward even budged.

Maybe they noted it 20 minutes later but that would be a bit strange.

Why do they need to move to use a radio?

(12-09-2018, 11:43 AM)Sonny Le Bradley Wrote: The whole idea behind stewards is that they punt folk that need to be punted before the Police get involved, because if the Police do so it's far more difficult to just chuck them out the stadium and let them go.

It more often ends up in some sort of arrest/charge/fine for the punter so it's worse for them and ties up Police resources that might be needed if something actually kicks off.

As I said though I don't blame the sort of folk employed by G4S for not getting more involved.

Yeah...that's not the idea behind Stewards at football at all.

I'm telling you from my experience, it is.

(12-09-2018, 11:43 AM)Ray Winstone Wrote: Why do they need to move to use a radio?

I was looking at them and a radio wasn't used. I think they were thinking about what to have for tea later.

One of the only jobs where you aren't expected to do work. Not bad tbf.

(12-09-2018, 11:46 AM)Alan Partridge Wrote: I was looking at them and a radio wasn't used. I think they were thinking about what to have for tea later.  

One of the only jobs where you aren't expected to do work. Not bad tbf.

I can only imagine how intimidating your Kenny Shiels stare at the Stewards was

(12-09-2018, 11:46 AM)Sonny Le Bradley Wrote: I'm telling you from my experience, it is.

Well...you're wrong. But what do I know eh

Budge has said previously that the steward's job to ensure safety mainly for entering and leaving the stadium.

They're no more obliged to point out racist behaviour than other fans are imo

Ray Winstone. King of the stewards

By the way I am not criticising all stewards. Against hibs there was a boy who was first on the scene when bobby got hit and he got hit with a flare, credit to him. It felt like that was above and beyond what he should have done.

A rethink needed in the more boisterous areas of the ground. Some wee lassie who is still at school just isn't good enough for the problem we currently have.

(12-09-2018, 11:49 AM)Ray Winstone Wrote: Well...you're wrong. But what do I know eh

Yeah let's keep doing this thing where we both hint at actually knowing stuff. That's fun for everyone

You said it's in the legislation that stewards are able to intervene and eject folk. You're right. You're also right in saying that they very rarely do.

From having worked at football matches, I'm telling you that their role might be defined differently, but they are definitely used or should be used in the way I've said unless it's to deal with something criminal.

In B4 Bert's a G4S scrubber

Club could hire AP and Mak to sort them oot

Mak tapping folk out while AP, the wildcard, just runs about bottling wee racists in the Pus