(12-13-2019, 01:59 AM)Papin Wrote: I can see her being groomed :begbie: for bigger things.  Met her a couple of times as the Digital Economy minister - she's quite impressive.

(12-13-2019, 02:00 AM)Johnny Wrote: Shes a minister is she she no? Likely on cause shes dece. Fucking Rilan, Tom Watson, Katherine Ryan and Jummy Carr anaw so it's not exactly the cream of the crop

Saw her first

Bet her feet are toatsie

Aye she is tbf, but I'm meaning high profile as an MSP amongst the public, not that no one in parliament knows who she is. Tom Watson and Jimmy Carr are a bit bigger a deal than the MSP for Skye who's been about since 2016 She seems to be excellent as an MSP from what I know of her.

Aye Johnny, I put her in my MSP lesson because I hoped that the boys would remember her as an example, given their local MSP is Jackson Carlaw

Big increase for Mhairi Black.

John Lansmann and Alistair Campbell on BBC One

Say what you want about Campbell but he fucking gets it where these prats don't.

(12-13-2019, 02:21 AM)Little Bit Of The Begbie Wrote: Say what you want about Campbell but he fucking gets it where these prats don't.

Dont be silly Beggars. He's a disgusting Blairite cunt, who's irrelevant and shouldnt be listened to.

(12-13-2019, 02:24 AM)Jeff Resnick Wrote: Dont be silly Beggars. He's a disgusting Blairite cunt, who's irrelevant and shouldnt be listened to.

Not sure if the above is satire but he created a dodgy dossier to send Britain to war on false premises. He's guilty of treasonable behaviour and should've been jailed.

I quite like his palpable hatred for tories but he is  a disgusting guy...

(12-13-2019, 02:28 AM)Grumblebum Wrote: Not sure if the above is satire but he created a dodgy dossier to send Britain to war on false premises. He's guilty of treasonable behaviour.

I quite like his palpable hatred for tories but he is  a disgusting guy...

Partly.

Whilst he is indeed a disgusting, reprehensible cunt, much of analysis is similar to what Begbie (and that Twitter thread I posted earlier) said.

Just because you're a horrible bastard doesnt mean you're always wrong.

IDS holds:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status...30240?s=20

(12-13-2019, 02:30 AM)Jeff Resnick Wrote: Partly.

Whilst he is indeed a disgusting, reprehensible cunt, much of analysis is similar to what Begbie (and that Twitter thread I posted earlier) said.

Just because you're a horrible bastard doesnt mean you're always wrong.

Yeah, I agree. Just worried you were having a go at folk who may not look up to Alistair Campbell as a man of integrity and moral fibre

Holy fuck it's bad for Labour, it's so so bad.

(12-13-2019, 02:34 AM)Grumblebum Wrote: Yeah, I agree. Just worried you were having a go at folk who may not look up to Alistair Campbell as a man of integrity and moral fibre

No chance.  

While I do find him quite amusing, since he left, and his analysis sometimes spot on, I'm not daft enough to think he isnt anything other than a cunt.

Pete Wishart with a massively increased majority.

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/120...88672?s=21

https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/...60097?s=21

As the results come in, the more this exit poll for the SNP is looking accurate.

Campbell isn't a good guy, obviously not, but his understanding of communication and how to win elections meant the introduction of the minimum wage, working tax credits, hundreds of thousands lifted out of poverty. And yes, it did eventually mean Iraq, which shouldn't ever be handwaved or forgotten, but it is now far too often used as a convenient shorthand to justify self-delusion where Labour people are concerned.

I've been consistent on this from the outset. You don't change anything from opposition and you don't win elections preaching to the converted. Leadership and communication, and a coherent strategy, are vital and Labour offer none of them, haven't for a long time. Great policies isn't nearly enough.

(12-13-2019, 02:44 AM)Papin Wrote: https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/...60097?s=21

Justine Greenibg. “Labour not getting votes as people in the communities are sick and tired of things never changing in their lives...”

Aye cos they live under a Tory Government you moron.

(12-13-2019, 02:44 AM)Little Bit Of The Begbie Wrote: Campbell isn't a good guy, obviously not, but his understanding of communication and how to win elections meant the introduction of the minimum wage, working tax credits, hundreds of thousands lifted out of poverty. And yes, it did eventually mean Iraq, which shouldn't ever be handwaved or forgotten, but it is now far too often used as a convenient shorthand to justify self-delusion where Labour people are concerned.

I've been consistent on this from the outset. You don't change anything from opposition and you don't win elections preaching to the converted. Leadership and communication, and a coherent strategy, are vital and Labour offer none of them, haven't for a long time. Great policies isn't nearly enough.

Who should be next then? I've a mate who's staunch Labour, who wouldnt vote for Corbyn and is a bit lost. He appears to like Starmer but folk think he's too 'Blairite'.

(12-13-2019, 02:50 AM)Walter Sobchak Wrote: Justine Greenibg. “Labour not getting votes as people in the communities are sick and tired of things never changing in their lives...”

Aye cos they live under a Tory Government you moron.

It's unreal.

They'll still be blaming Labour and saying only the Tories can fix the mess in 5 years' time.