(08-25-2020, 08:35 AM)Arkadiusz Klimek Wrote: There's a lot of reasons why he might not go but the bottom line is it would be fucking madness to turn down the best club in the world right now. He'd be set up for life. He would never struggle to find a decent club again with that on his CV. It's a 2/3 hour flight.

If his dream really is the rhats he could feasibly be playing for them when he's 21 after shree years getting the finest education possible in Germany.

You can't criticise the Tierney route though. Got gametime, trebles and european football with Celtic and is a season away from becoming captain of Arsenal.

(08-25-2020, 08:35 AM)Arkadiusz Klimek Wrote: There's a lot of reasons why he might not go but the bottom line is it would be fucking madness to turn down the best club in the world right now. He'd be set up for life. He would never struggle to find a decent club again with that on his CV. It's a 2/3 hour flight.

If his dream really is the rhats he could feasibly be playing for them when he's 21 after shree years getting the finest education possible in Germany.

Like I said - easy to say that in your thirties. And probably right. But I'm just thinking back to when I was 18 and know for a fact that I'd have been nowhere near ready to take the step of moving abroad. The fact he's a professional footballer doesn't automatically make him any more mature or grown up than any other 18 year old.

The difference for tierney being he was good enough to play regularly for Celtic at 18.  Can't see hickey starting for them if he signed, would likely be loaned out and forgotten about imo.  

Ridic not to go to the team who just won the CL, the lift it gives your career playing for a team like that can set you up for most of your playing days.  18 years old I would've bit your hand off to go work in another country away from my parents, surely that's just something you accept when you want to be a footballer?

If you don't think Hickey can get a game for Celtic then I've got news for you son, he isn't making it at Bayern

It would be a straight fight between him and Taylor for the shirt. Bolingoli has been ostracised for putting ten in a row at risk. Fans also think he's shite.

(08-25-2020, 08:56 AM)Morph Wrote: The difference for tierney being he was good enough to play regularly for Celtic at 18.  Can't see hickey starting for them if he signed, would likely be loaned out and forgotten about imo.  

Ridic not to go to the team who just won the CL, the lift it gives your career playing for a team like that can set you up for most of your playing days.  18 years old I would've bit your hand off to go work in another country away from my parents, surely that's just something you accept when you want to be a footballer?

If he's going to disappear into obscurity at Celtic, what chance has he got at Bayern?

(08-25-2020, 08:41 AM)S.J. Wrote: You can't criticise the Tierney route though. Got gametime, trebles and european football with Celtic and is a season away from becoming captain of Arsenal.

Not sure there is a 'Tierney route' tbh. I can't think of another jock in the modern era who has managed that other than Robertson and even that was different. The route is more like play for Celtic and then sign for Southampton. The other options are do a Brown and stay in your comfort zone or drop down to Livi.

(08-25-2020, 08:53 AM)Makween Wrote: Like I said - easy to say that in your thirties. And probably right. But I'm just thinking back to when I was 18 and know for a fact that I'd have been nowhere near ready to take the step of moving abroad. The fact he's a professional footballer doesn't automatically make him any more mature or grown up than any other 18 year old.

Yeah fair enough. Maybe I'm ignorant but I just feel like being a footballer at that level can't be compared to a normal guy moving country for a job. I accept he's still a kid though.

The access he'll have to players, staff and facilities to develop at Bayern will be far better than Celtic.

He's not getting a game for either side right away so why not go to the place that can maximise your potential?

Tierney made a few interesting points on Open Goal the other week. He said what he's learned about football from Arsenal coaches compared to when he was at Celtic is on another level. Imagine the coaching at Bayern.

(08-25-2020, 09:01 AM)Arkadiusz Klimek Wrote: Not sure there is a 'Tierney route' tbh. I can't think of another jock in the modern era who has managed that other than Robertson and even that was different. The route is more like play for Celtic and then sign for Southampton

Yeah fair enough. Maybe I'm ignorant but I just feel like being a footballer at that level can't be compared to a normal guy moving country for a job. I accept he's still a kid though.

There is a Tierney route because Tierney has created the route, that's why I called it the Tierney route and not “another jock in the modern era route”

The only reason Bayern are in for him is because of the success of the last two young Scottish left backs. Let's be honest here.

If he performs to Tierney standard levels at Celtic then the big teams will snap him up as the next Scottish left back. fuck even Bayern want him and he's at Hearts

(08-25-2020, 09:04 AM)Arkadiusz Klimek Wrote: Tierney made a few interesting points on Open Goal the other week. He said what he's learned about football from Arsenal coaches compared to when he was at Celtic is on another level. Imagine the coaching at Bayern.

Tierney would also say that playing 200 games is superior to fucking about in the arsenal under 20s.

Robbo playing for Queen's Park and Dundee United was better than him fucking about in Celtic youths.

Drop a level and get your games.

(08-25-2020, 09:07 AM)S.J. Wrote: Tierney would also say that playing 200 games is superior to fucking about in the arsenal under 20s.

Robbo playing for Queen's Park and Dundee United was better than him fucking about in Celtic youths.

Drop a level and get your games.

By that logic he should stay put because I'm doubtful he'd get regular game time at the Tims, don't doubt he's not far off Taylor but as things stand he'd be better staying where he is and get a full season of games.

Bayern II are probably a higher level than the Championship and he'd be getting better coaching and mentoring from Alaba and Davies potentially, I can see folks arguments but surely as a footballer watching English boys go over there and love it you'd jump at the chance to go there and continue your development.

(08-25-2020, 09:17 AM)Charlie Kelly Wrote: By that logic he should stay put because I'm doubtful he'd get regular game time at the Tims, don't doubt he's not far off Taylor but as things stand he'd be better staying where he is and get a full season of games.

Bayern II are probably a higher level than the Championship and he'd be getting better coaching and mentoring from Alaba and Davies potentially, I can see folks arguments but surely as a footballer watching English boys go over there and love it you'd jump at the chance to go there and continue your development.

It wouldn't be the worst shout staying at Hearts for another season if we were in the prem, however corona and being expelled from the league means he needs to move on.

All the talk was that his da didn't like Levein, so he was going regardless of what league we were in though.

i think if you're Hickey and you are as good as people reckon you are, then you have to back yourself to shift Greg Taylor, otherwise you can forget playing for Bayern and Real Madrid.

I think Robbo had to shift Barry Douglas at Dundee United to get a game.

(08-25-2020, 09:01 AM)Arkadiusz Klimek Wrote: Not sure there is a 'Tierney route' tbh. I can't think of another jock in the modern era who has managed that other than Robertson and even that was different. The route is more like play for Celtic and then sign for Southampton. The other options are do a Brown and stay in your comfort zone or drop down to Livi.


Yeah fair enough. Maybe I'm ignorant but I just feel like being a footballer at that level can't be compared to a normal guy moving country for a job. I accept he's still a kid though.

Hickey will be looking at guys like Tierney, Armstrong, even boys they signed as young players like Dembele or Wanyama and know that if he does well for Celtic he'll get a move to a better league as a first team player (or just stick around and wins a dozen trophies).

He'll look at the Scottish players who've been convinced to go abroad recently and just see examples of all of their careers stalling

(08-25-2020, 09:19 AM)Nicolas Sarkozy Wrote: Hickey will be looking at guys like Tierney, Armstrong, even boys they signed as young players like Dembele or Wanyama and know that if he does well for Celtic he'll get a move to a better league as a first team player (or just stick around and wins a dozen trophies).

He'll look at the Scottish players who've been convinced to go abroad recently and just see examples of all of their careers stalling

Which Scottish players have went to top class European clubs and failed recently? There are a few Scottish boys at Bayern right now so I'd imagine that would encourage him.

A lot of clubs down south look at Van Dijk and saw that they could've got him for a few million, chickened out and then had to drop 70 mill on him. That's why Tierney moved to Arsenal instead of Hull. Van Dijk has been a bit of a game changer in how scottish-based players are viewed (or Celtic players at least). Dembele straight to Lyon, Eduard also linked with Arsenal and Man U.

https://twitter.com/BarryAnderson_/statu...87424?s=19

(08-25-2020, 09:23 AM)Arkadiusz Klimek Wrote: Which Scottish players have went to top class European clubs and failed recently? There are a few Scottish boys at Bayern right now so I'd imagine that would encourage him.

Are there any Scottish players there who have already played a lot of first team games though? Different proposition joining as a youth player than as someone who has already built up a reputation through first-team football.

Gauld and Oli Burke are the two obvious examples of exciting Scottish players moving to big European clubs and going backwards. Could add David Bates to that potentially but to be fair to him he was never as highly rated as those two or Hickey.
It's probably more relevant to ask if there are any recent examples of Scottish players at that level going overseas and it boosting their career?

Bates is a good example tbf, went to Hamburg and as far as I know he was getting a game and got a Scotland call up after it. 

Think also none of these players were going to European champions Bayern Munich! Quite a big selling factor.

(08-25-2020, 09:32 AM)Nicolas Sarkozy Wrote: Are there any Scottish players there who have already played a lot of first team games though? Different proposition joining as a youth player than as someone who has already built up a reputation through first-team football.

Gauld and Oli Burke are the two obvious examples of exciting Scottish players moving to big European clubs and going backwards. Could add David Bates to that potentially but to be fair to him he was never as highly rated as those two or Hickey.
It's probably more relevant to ask if there are any recent examples of Scottish players at that level going overseas and it boosting their career?

Didn't work out for those two but Bayern is a different proposition altogether. Even if he flops he'll be back at a decent club in Britain before his baws have dropped.

IMO one of the main reasons Scotland are so shite is our talented players reluctance to try new football cultures. All the great teams have players all over Europe. We can't see past the M8. Even in here folk are suggesting Celtic would be a better move than Bayern Munich. Baffling to me.

(08-25-2020, 09:36 AM)Arkadiusz Klimek Wrote: Didn't work out for those two but Bayern is a different proposition altogether. Even if he flops he'll be back at a decent club in Britain before his baws have dropped.

IMO one of the main reasons Scotland are so shite is our talented players reluctance to try new football cultures.  All the great teams have players all over Europe. We can't see past the M8. Even in here folk are suggesting Celtic would be a better move than Bayern Munich. Baffling to me.

If he ends up at the rhats it's a lack of ambition from him. Surely going to Munich and receiving the best coaching possible is more appealing than running round Lennoxtown with popcorn teeth barking orders at you?

Absolute no brainer for me in terms of choices.