(11-05-2025, 11:49 AM)Del-icious Wrote: Did they change his words?

No. They spliced his words that were spoken 54 minutes apart.

(11-05-2025, 11:47 AM)AJ. Wrote: It gets them off the streets, that kinda stops them re-offending.

Thirty percent of prisoners are back in jail within a year of release. For sentences of less than 12 months, ie. removing rape and murder, it's over 60%. If by 'stop' you mean 'delay at massive cost to tax payers' then you've got a point.

All that's left is vengeance.

(11-05-2025, 11:47 AM)AJ. Wrote: It gets them off the streets, that kinda stops them re-offending.

Aye, until they get out and reoffend again because they get chucked into the same situation in which they committed the crimes in the first place. A proper socialist model, providing adequate housing, rehab if needed, education, training, physical and mental healthcare, social security, and access to meaningful employment would do far more to stop reoffending than prison does.

So what's the answer? Just don't jail them at all and allow them to keep committing crimes 365 days a year?

(11-05-2025, 12:08 PM)Nive la France Wrote: Aye, until they get out and reoffend again because they get chucked into the same situation in which they committed the crimes in the first place. A proper socialist model, providing adequate housing, rehab if needed, education, training, physical and mental healthcare, social security, and access to meaningful employment would do far more to stop reoffending than prison does.

That reads a wee bit like getting everything put on a plate for you because you can't behave like a normal person.

(11-05-2025, 12:41 PM)Shteve Wrote: That reads a wee bit like getting everything put on a plate for you because you can't behave like a normal person.

That reads like you don't want people to stop committing crimes.

(11-05-2025, 12:41 PM)Shteve Wrote: That reads a wee bit like getting everything put on a plate for you because you can't behave like a normal person.

How do you expect people to become functioning members of society if you don’t help them tho?

Take a jakey who robs houses, they go into prison and they either continue using or they go clean for a bit. They come out and they’ve got fuck all, nae fixed place to stay, nae money, can’t get a job.

They’re back on the streets and very likely to start using again if they hadn’t been already and then you’re just repeating the circle all over again.

I don’t know if I’d go the full way of saying prisons are totally pointless outside violent/sexual offenders but for a significant number of prisoners they’re totally pointless and cost us a fortune as tax payers.

(11-05-2025, 12:16 PM)AJ. Wrote: So what's the answer? Just don't jail them at all and allow them to keep committing crimes 365 days a year?

Prison isn't a deterrent, but it's an adequate solution for a degree of punishment for certain crimes if there's joined-up thinking between the things I listed. Otherwise it's just a holding pen for untreated bams and junkies. 

(11-05-2025, 12:41 PM)Shteve Wrote: That reads a wee bit like getting everything put on a plate for you because you can't behave like a normal person.

Looking at it from the absolute state of Britain right now it does (post-Brexit, post-austerity, post-Tories) but these things would be more than achievable for everyone, not just criminals, in even a slightly less silly country.

(11-05-2025, 12:57 PM)Nive la France Wrote: Prison isn't a deterrent, but it's an adequate solution for a degree of punishment for certain crimes if there's joined-up thinking between the things I listed. Otherwise it's just a holding pen for untreated bams and junkies. 


Looking at it from the absolute state of Britain right now it does (post-Brexit, post-austerity, post-Tories) but these things would be more than achievable for everyone, not just criminals, in even a slightly less silly country.

Spot on.

Do some folk not say prison was the best place they went as it let them network with other dodgy cunts which was beneficial for their trade when they got back out of prison

It makes them better criminals essentially

https://youtu.be/ERnR0YKCG98?si=2vZNYfTApfZ_SjSp

(11-05-2025, 12:59 PM)Del-icious Wrote: Spot on.

Do some folk not say prison was the best place they went as it let them network with other dodgy cunts which was beneficial for their trade when they got back out of prison

It makes them better criminals essentially

Some will say that, obviously.  Others will say it was a very unpleasant experience and they'll never be back inside.

(11-05-2025, 01:02 PM)AJ. Wrote: Some will say that, obviously.  Others will say it was a very unpleasant experience and they'll never be back inside.

60% are back inside within a year.

(11-05-2025, 01:48 PM)KartumaFish Wrote: 60% are back inside within a year.

In Scotland? I didn't think it was as high as that. Still, it's stopped 40% re-offending, if your stats are accurate.

(11-05-2025, 01:53 PM)AJ. Wrote: In Scotland? I didn't think it was as high as that. Still, it's stopped 40% re-offending, if your stats are accurate.

Only 25% re-offend, after serving a sentence of 12 months or more.

(11-05-2025, 01:53 PM)Del-icious Wrote:

On you go. Tell us what I've missed, not getting, blah blah blah. Zzzzzzzzz.......

You’re thick as mince with no critical thinking skills m8, it’s easier just to laugh at you rather than have to constantly spell out every single point that even if you did understand you’d stubbornly refuse to accept because woke.

Just as I thought. No reasonable response other than your usual word salad.

(11-05-2025, 01:53 PM)AJ. Wrote: In Scotland? I didn't think it was as high as that. Still, it's stopped 40% re-offending, if your stats are accurate.

It hasn't stopped 40% re-offending. 40% don't happen to return to jail (within a year) but you've got a logical gap before you can say going to jail stopped them re-offending.

Has anyone seen those safe consumption vans about town? Noticed one at the top of Waverley bridge a few times. No idea if they have any positive effect, other than having medics on hand if you overdose?