Donald Trump

[1500 Dollars a Day]

I respect your opinion but framing NATO as the Europe + Canada and the states isn’t it. It’s a military treaty for the US empire project. Those who join it are signing up to US imperial interests - it’s the core purpose of NATO. (All imo). There is an ontological dissonance in saying “what will NATO do if the states attacks a NATO member”

If you want me to actually be obtuse - and Im guilty of it as much as the next person - try to get in the habit of saying the US rather than America. Especially since the US just invaded another American country.

CS plz this is a glorified pub debate not an academic one

You ken fine well what and who I mean


Btw I am genuinely fucking shiteing it, I Ken that might come as overboard or whatever but I am being sincere in this discussion and it comes through a place of thinking we’re going to be absolutely fucked very soon.

[CritchSmile]

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CS plz this is a glorified pub debate not an academic one

You ken fine well what and who I mean

I literally prefaced it with saying im being obtuse bud, but seriously something to think about moving forward. You always think I’m trying to troll. None of us, including me should be referring to that country as America if possible. Especially when they have Columbia and Cuba in their short to medium term sights. The fall of US hegemony was never going to be pretty. Hawkish interventionism was inevitable as a response to global weakening.

I expect to get a hard time on here because I’m not bothered whether people are ready to face some difficult truths yet. The amount of lies the superstructure is spitting out even on the establishment ‘left of centre’ media is more than I’ve ever seen before, so I don’t expect people to feel comfortable when I say things they are not used to hearing.

[Charlie Kelly]

The reality of this of course is that Trump is only doing this to distract the Yanks from the Epstein fallout and all other manners of domestic problems he's dealing with (and of course it's a nice wee side show to distract us from Israel continuing to obliterate Gaza under the sham ceasefire). Id be surprised if invading a NATO ally would appease anyone other than the absolute staunch MAGA cunts.

The bigger problem is of course our government continuing to cuck themselves by not calling out Trump for what this is.

[CritchSmile]

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That’s fair enough, I dont know enough about it all to comment that deeply on its true motives etc.

But the countries within the alliance have enjoyed peace and safety because of their position in NATO, so what would happen to all those countries after all this time America decides to turn its sights on European countries as well?

I don’t believe everyone else would just decide to go it alone so there would surely be some sort of alliance that continues without America being part of it but it leaves Europe severely weakened and facing a massive threat on its borders from Russia and potentially now from America too.  I’d imagine Denmark are probably expecting if they pulled the trigger on article 5 if America invaded Greenland it would be heard but I don’t think Germany/Britain/France/Canada would answer.

Am I right in saying America has massive control over our use of Trident as well?  Or is that a bit of a myth?

Nato without America would have as much geo-political power as you can imagine, against the US, Russia and China. Maybe they decide to still call it NATO but it would cease to function in any significant realpolitik way. Like cutting the head of the snake and then keeping the body. Bit useless when it’s just lifeless. I think EU will militarise significantly to prepare for this eventuality.

As Greenland is an overseas territory, while there may be a military act towards Danish territory, I’d expect Denmark and US to eventually do a deal over Greenland. Like when activist investors do hostile takeovers of companies. Actually, it’s very hard to predict.
I’m not sure legitimate Denmark’s claim to Greenland is, I’m ignorant as to how they secured it and whether Greenland wants to be independent. US could always ‘help’ Greenland become independent. Who knows.

[1500 Dollars a Day]

The reality of this of course is that Trump is only doing this to distract the Yanks from the Epstein fallout and all other manners of domestic problems he's dealing with (and of course it's a nice wee side show to distract us from Israel continuing to obliterate Gaza under the sham ceasefire). Id be surprised if invading a NATO ally would appease anyone other than the absolute staunch MAGA cunts.

The bigger problem is of course our government continuing to cuck themselves by not calling out Trump for what this is.

Trump isn’t the puppet master tho in fairness, he’s just carrying out a game plan that was given to him by the folk that ensured he reached power.

This play on Venezuela was specifically part of project 2025 (unsure if Greenland was written into it) so aye it definitely does square with taking attention off the Epstein stuff but I don’t think it’s the reason for it. Trump will be discarded when he’s no longer useful to them, he doesn’t seem to be “the guy”.

[CritchSmile]

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The reality of this of course is that Trump is only doing this to distract the Yanks from the Epstein fallout and all other manners of domestic problems he's dealing with (and of course it's a nice wee side show to distract us from Israel continuing to obliterate Gaza under the sham ceasefire). Id be surprised if invading a NATO ally would appease anyone other than the absolute staunch MAGA cunts.

The bigger problem is of course our government continuing to cuck themselves by not calling out Trump for what this is.

The reality is Trump isn’t doing this (at least not in the way you think). He’s certainly provided the theatre necessary to move the Overton window further towards what is accepted, but viewing this through a MAGA lens is a deeply unhelpful understanding of the situation imo and doing so supports their goals. The Maga base are isolationist and anti-interventionist anyway.

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Trump isn’t the puppet master tho in fairness, he’s just carrying out a game plan that was given to him by the folk that ensured he reached power.

This play on Venezuela was specifically part of project 2025 (unsure if Greenland was written into it) so aye it definitely does square with taking attention off the Epstein stuff but I don’t think it’s the reason for it.  Trump will be discarded when he’s no longer useful to them, he doesn’t seem to be “the guy”.

We agree on something

[1500 Dollars a Day]

Nato without America would have as much geo-political power as you can imagine, against the US, Russia and China. Maybe they decide to still call it NATO but it would cease to function in any significant realpolitik way. Like cutting the head of the snake and then keeping the body. Bit useless when it’s just lifeless. I think EU will militarise significantly to prepare for this eventuality.

As Greenland is an overseas territory, while there may be a military act towards Danish territory, I’d expect Denmark and US to eventually do a deal over Greenland. Like when activist investors do hostile takeovers of companies. Actually, it’s very hard to predict.
I’m not sure legitimate Denmark’s claim to Greenland is, I’m ignorant as to how they secured it and whether Greenland wants to be independent. US could always ‘help’ Greenland become independent. Who knows.

Apparently there is a desire within Greenland to be independent which the US () have latched onto, however there is absolutely no desire from the people there to be a US colony of any sort.

The US have got some cunt on the ground there working towards helping Greenland gain independence.

Actually mad that this is now all out in the open but when you chat about foreign/british interference in indyp and Brexit at the time you were called a lunatic conspiracy theorist.

[1500 Dollars a Day]

We agree on something

I think we largely agree on mostly everything you’re just an academic guy who kens all the ins and outs

I understand this stuff on a much more basic level so it might seem like I’m disagreeing but I’m no.

[Charlie Kelly]

The reality is Trump isn’t doing this (at least not in the way you think). He’s certainly provided the theatre necessary to move the Overton window further towards what is accepted, but viewing this through a MAGA lens is deeply unhelpful understanding imo. The Maga base are isolationist and anti-interventionist anyway.

Well, yes of course, there's not a president in that country that actually has control over these things. The old CIA and Mossad partnership has that all locked down  

I was more meaning that the staunch MAGA folk are behind anything Trump says, regardless, so they're okay with this on that basis. I'm aware he's already lost a fair amount of the ones you mention who aren't quite at that level of devil worship. 

My hope is that countries in Europe see this and start to move away from populist politics because of the way America is going and all of these political parties just parrot the same bullshit, but it may well be that we all need to suffer from this before we all get through the other side.

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I think we largely agree on mostly everything you’re just an academic guy who kens all the ins and outs

I understand this stuff on a much more basic level so it might seem like I’m disagreeing but I’m no.

Honestly, I don’t. Thank fuck I’m an autodidact. Some of the takes from academic people i know are terrible and you’d wipe the floor with them. Most of them are very incurious Acey-types that don’t hesitate to give themselves a pat on the back for being woke and liberal, but have surface level of understanding because they don’t want to look deeper into things as they’d become super uncomfortable with what they’d uncover.

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Apparently there is a desire within Greenland to be independent which the US () have latched onto, however there is absolutely no desire from the people there to be a US colony of any sort.

The US have got some cunt on the ground there working towards helping Greenland gain independence.

Actually mad that this is now all out in the open but when you chat about foreign/british interference in indyp and Brexit at the time you were called a lunatic conspiracy theorist.

The US can lead them to ‘freedom’’ and ‘democracy’ like they have with their other US colonies global partners

US ideal scenario will definitely be to strike a deal with Denmark over Greenland but obviously the conditions aren’t fertile for that currently. They’ll continue to try and nurture favourable conditions though I’m sure.

[1500 Dollars a Day]

Fwiw reading that Greenland is spoken about in project 25 but it doesn’t chat about annexing the country just more about building strategic ties.

I’m fairly sure it was more explicit in its intentions for Venezuela but I can’t find the screenshot I seen earlier. I guess at the time when the document was written they probably didn’t want to outline that they were coming for Europe, obv didn’t give a fuck about Venezuela

[CritchSmile]

Fwiw reading that Greenland is spoken about in project 25 but it doesn’t chat about annexing the country just more about building strategic ties.

I’m fairly sure it was more explicit in its intentions for Venezuela but I can’t find the screenshot I seen earlier.

I’ve not read any of project ‘25 but I can imagine most of it is in there. I did years ago read ‘project for the new American century’ that was the Bush doctrine equivalent of project 25. Feel free to find a summary of it if you’re interested to see if their objectives transpired. just shows, there is always a plan freely available to the general public in plain sight but most of us don’t want to look. Understandable tbh. Depressing stuff.

[The Fez Reich]

I feel Crotch is being purposefully obtuse surrounding discussions these days.

We desperately need Mak back

Where is that wee fanny? 

Somebody just needs to mention Open Goal and he’ll read his stupid wee heed.

[CritchSmile]

Where is that wee fanny? 

Somebody just needs to mention Open Goal and he’ll read his stupid wee heed.

“Say Open Goal and he appears - I believe in Mak-ween”

[RyanUSA]

Unfortunately, I have to live over here my friends and deal with his cult members haha. He is a narcissist with a capital N and that is never going to change. Whenver anyone even brings him up, I tend to change the subject; life is stressful enough.

[Snake Plissken]

The EU is long overdue militarisation. Their lack of any true power/autonomy on the world stage was exposed when the US took out the majority of Nordstream 1 and 2.

They've been heading that way for a while, but it'll take time. The old American line about NATO members not paying their way just isn't true anymore; almost all of them now meet the military spending threshold. As a proportion of GDP, Poland actually outspends the US. I think Greece does as well, but that's from work I did on NATO in '24, so it might not be reflective of today's situation. My own feelings on NATO are pretty mixed.

The reality of this of course is that Trump is only doing this to distract the Yanks from the Epstein fallout and all other manners of domestic problems he's dealing with (and of course it's a nice wee side show to distract us from Israel continuing to obliterate Gaza under the sham ceasefire). Id be surprised if invading a NATO ally would appease anyone other than the absolute staunch MAGA cunts.

The bigger problem is of course our government continuing to cuck themselves by not calling out Trump for what this is.

That'll get trotted out a lot this coming year, but honestly, most of the really egregious shit is stuff he or his backers wanted to do all along. I also think the importance of the Epstein stuff is being overplayed; everyone's already made up their minds. The cult will never abandon him.

The Greenland thing is nothing new; he wanted to buy it in his first term, and all those Thiel types in his orbit want it. Whatever restraining influences there were before are just gone now, and his cabinet of Fox entertainment personalities just does whatever he wants. We'll be dealing with the fallout from all this nonsense for the rest of their lives.

[1500 Dollars a Day]

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This is defo coming soon eh?

He went on: "By what right does Denmark assert control over Greenland? What is their basis of claiming Greenland as a colony of Denmark?"

Is Greenland under Denmark not a bit similar to Scotland in the United Kingdom? They have control over internal affairs but defence/currency/foreign policy is handled by Denmark? Greenland, Faroe Islands and Denmark make up “the Kingdom of Denmark”

I don’t think Denmark would claim Greenland as a colony either, I’m not sure if this is purposeful or ignorant language from Miller.

[1500 Dollars a Day]

It's not that frightening. Why? Because the Republicans have no chance. And Trump running as an independent would turn "no chance" into "even less than no chance", handing the election to Clinton on a plate.

There's an emerging Democratic majority in the US which, with the growing Hispanicisation of the country, will only grow over the decades ahead. No mad ideologically-driven austerity there; instead, they've had a major stimulus package and have recovered very well, regaining lost geopolitical power too.

Compare this with Europe. Youth unemployment levels which are scandalous, completely out of control; austerity in force across almost the entire continent; and in Britain, what would've been viewed as utterly extreme (on immigration, asylum or the welfare state) 5-10 years ago is now 'mainstream'.

In the US, extremist views make the Republicans unelectable. In the UK, extremist views are the new 'centre ground' under the Tories - and it's Labour who are on the run instead. Scary and depressing.

Lmao