'Wings Over TalkHearts' Politics Thread

[shaun.lawson]

Could someone tell Shaun that Mags is trolling and we were all doing a grand job of ignoring him, please

It's a pretty horrendous thing to troll about though. And besides: Mags' posting style is one part troll, two parts what he genuinely believes.

[PHOODLE-OUt]

Got fuck all to do with anyone*

*other than Trump

[shaun.lawson]

Got fuck all to do with anyone*

*other than Trump

When the leader of the free world normalises it (online abuse, online bullying, rampant misogyny), then yes, it certainly has an effect. Just as cases of racism have gone up since Brexit.

[Cheeky Gnando’s]

It's a pretty horrendous thing to troll about though.   And besides: Mags' posting style is one part troll, two parts what he genuinely believes.  

Welcome to Talkhearts; you must be new

Not even I believe Mags is stupid enough to believe a word of the pish in his post ffs

[Mr A]

Was being serious

[shaun.lawson]

Was being serious

Welcome to the world of online fora, where someone who is not trolling is often assumed to be trolling; and someone who is trolling is often assumed to not be trolling. And where someone who is not trolling but is assumed to be trolling responds with something which could be a troll but probably isn't.

[Shuto Makino]

Trump's fanbase loves a bit of online abuse, as does Trump himself, but it predates his entry into politics by years.

[Roger H. Sterling]

When the leader of the free world normalises it (online abuse, online bullying, rampant misogyny), then yes, it certainly has an effect. Just as cases of racism have gone up since Brexit.

Isn't that what Mags said?

[Mr A]

Isn't that what Mags said?

It is largely the same, yes.

Poor wee Ruthy-D just shared this. What sort of plonker sends this to someone

[Zizou]

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/971803875870113792

She is such a fucking weirdo man. 100% a lizard.

[Mr A]

[Big Physical Acey]

Enjoyed this one:

https://twitter.com/katie_martin_fx/stat...7254621184

[Cheeky Gnando’s]

Was being serious

How awkward then, given my comments

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/971803875870113792

She is such a fucking weirdo man. 100% a lizard.

Absolutely desperate to avoid the question - “what are these 'friends' you speak of?”

[Floyd]

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/971803875870113792

She is such a fucking weirdo man. 100% a lizard.

I miss David Cameron more than I should after watching that.

[shaun.lawson]

Isn't that what Mags said?

Well, no.

Sure, there were some issues in the indyref campaign - but it was a triumph of democratic engagement more than anything. During said campaign, I can't quite recall Salmond or Sturgeon

- Relentlessly bullying political opponents

- Using racism and sexism as a clarion call

- Describing fascists as "very decent people"

- Calling for their opponents to be locked up, and leading hysterical crowds chanting for this

- Retweeting disgusting conspiracy theories about the survivors of mass shootings

- Declaring that the police had been infiltrated by political opponents

During one of the debates, could you imagine Alex Salmond calling Laura Kuenssberg a "fat pig", or saying of Julie Etchingham "there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever", or ridiculing a disabled journalist?

Trump's normalised this shite. And I absolutely agree with Mak that to some extent, it pre-dates his campaign (example: Birther Movement) - but it was never remotely this open, this common. He's taken what used to exist in some parallel hell below the line and normalised it above it.

[Zizou]

Laura Pidcock

Knows what the tories are all about as well.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...10156.html

[shaun.lawson]

Laura Pidcock

Knows what the tories are all about as well.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...10156.html

Although I don't share her stance on that, I could not believe the incredible abuse she received for expressing it. Or rather, I could very much believe it: because attacking the person, not engaging with the reasons behind their views, is classic Tory and Tory media strategy.

That so many in the media couldn't even get their heads around not being friends with a political enemy only provided yet another reminder of what a cosy bubble they live in. Seems to me, even to be a Tory, it's necessary to abandon any understanding of the impact of their policies on so many people. So Tories avert their eyes, go into denial. Pidcock understands. That makes her a great MP and real rising star.

[Mr A]

Typical angry lefty tbh. Just shouts drivel and wants to take us all back to the 70s.

Wanting people to be 'secure' in their homes so they're more likely to take industrial action

Wasn't very happy at the idea of quotas not being based on merit then revealed she got in on an all female shortlist

Quite tidy tho

[Zizou]

She was impressive for a young mp who has only been in the game for a year. Some no mark from British Bake Off told her to stop going on about homeless people dying in the streets

[Mr A]

Although I don't share her stance on that, I could not believe the incredible abuse she received for expressing it. Or rather, I could very much believe it: because attacking the person, not engaging with the reasons behind their views, is classic Tory and Tory media strategy.

That so many in the media couldn't even get their heads around not being friends with a political enemy only provided yet another reminder of what a cosy bubble they live in. Seems to me, even to be a Tory, it's necessary to abandon any understanding of the impact of their policies on so many people. So Tories avert their eyes, go into denial. Pidcock understands. That makes her a great MP and real rising star.

It was you that argued on here that what the left fail to get their heads around is that everyone wants the same thing - a better more prosperous society for everyone. You criticised them for that then and now you're championing Pisscock for doing what you used to criticise the left for.

VERY CONFUSING